Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

I was under the impression that you wanted
A. Agreement to be reached
B. May to soften her approach and relax her red lines

Now it appears you actually wanted May to stick rigidly to her red lines, not giving an inch.
At least try and have some consistency.

Mays red lines have always been a joke and she's always going to have capitulated 100%. I just amused at brexiteers rhetoric. Last week she was refusing to agree all these things and the eu was going to have.
Then as soon as she does another climbdown it was all no big deal. The cognitive dissonance is incredible.

There is a massive advantage in that it gives us more scope and information about the areas we need and don’t need to prioritise

Only if the 3rd party doesn't care about our access to the eu, but sure, there's some small advantage there.

GreatApe

You don't need to pick industries all you need are low taxes free markets and a floating currency the economy will then balance itself out.

There are actions the UK can take to boost its domestic economy at the expense of countries like Germany. It isn't necessary but it can be done. For instance we could put VAT on cars up to say 50%.
The result will be a shift away from more expensive German cars to less expensive cars and a shift to keeping existing cars on the road a couple of years longer. Such a move would lower UK imports and create more domestic repair and maintiance jobs.

Whatever happens whoever is in power a bad deal isn't going to be accepted.
The UK is a large goods importer because the UK is a large service exporter
If service exports are hit in a bad deal then UK goods imports will fall to balance things out.

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

Mays red lines have always been a joke and she's always going to have capitulated 100%. I just amused at brexiteers rhetoric. Last week she was refusing to agree all these things and the eu was going to have.
Then as soon as she does another climbdown it was all no big deal. The cognitive dissonance is incredible.

Only if the 3rd party doesn't care about our access to the eu, but sure, there's some small advantage there.

Well I!!!8217;m sure when China does a trade deal with Brazil they are really thinking about getting access to Argentina :doh:

However I!!!8217;m still wondering why you are so cross when you appear to have got what you wanted?
Not only have you got the same rules in place, but with all this caving, May will be out the door soon and some SM-friendly replacement will be airlifted in won!!!8217;t they?

Then it!!!8217;s tea and scones time at the coast on the remainer bus!

mrginge

gfplux wrote: »

What advise do you have to Britains export salespeople.

I would advise them to steer clear of Luxembourg

Arklight

Rinoa wrote: »

Minimum wage higher under Conservatives than Labour even allowing for inflation. Conservatives have also substantially increased threshold when income tax becomes payable.

If you're on minimum wage you're now far better off than when Labour were in power.

The Government is also proposing to give those on zero hour contracts more protection from bad practice. Something Labour never did.

Under the Tories, the richest 1000 families have increased their personal wealth by £250 billion over the last 5 years.

Meanwhile nurses are using food banks, schools are drowning in budget cuts and councils are facing a care crisis.

The NMW is £7.83 per hour, and less than £7.40 for under 25’s.

Under Labour, workers will be guaranteed a living wage. But then the Labour Party wasn’t set up to represent the landed gentry.

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

Well I!!!8217;m sure when China does a trade deal with Brazil they are really thinking about getting access to Argentina :doh:

How are they in any way equivalent?
Japan has made it clear that they view us as a gateway to Europe, why would China be different?

However I!!!8217;m still wondering why you are so cross when you appear to have got what you wanted?
Not only have you got the same rules in place, but with all this caving, May will be out the door soon and some SM-friendly replacement will be airlifted in won!!!8217;t they?

Then it!!!8217;s tea and scones time at the coast on the remainer bus!

Not cross at all; bemused. What I want is to see some critical analysis from brexiteers rather than sound bites and proclamations that May is a great leader because the sky isn't on fire.

Herzlos

GreatApe wrote: »

You don't need to pick industries all you need are low taxes free markets and a floating currency the economy will then balance itself out.

There are actions the UK can take to boost its domestic economy at the expense of countries like Germany. It isn't necessary but it can be done. For instance we could put VAT on cars up to say 50%.
The result will be a shift away from more expensive German cars to less expensive cars and a shift to keeping existing cars on the road a couple of years longer. Such a move would lower UK imports and create more domestic repair and maintiance jobs.

Whatever happens whoever is in power a bad deal isn't going to be accepted.
The UK is a large goods importer because the UK is a large service exporter
If service exports are hit in a bad deal then UK goods imports will fall to balance things out.

An increase on vat on New cars will destroy what's left of the car industry and push everyone towards cheaper eastern imports, unless we introduced huge tariffs.

Making a car 30% more expensive (for example) won't make people spend more, they'll spend the same and just get 25% less car.

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

How are they in any way equivalent?
Japan has made it clear that they view us as a gateway to Europe, why would China be different?

Not cross at all; bemused. What I want is to see some critical analysis from brexiteers rather than sound bites and proclamations that May is a great leader because the sky isn't on fire.

Which sound bites and proclamations?
Stop making stuff up to fit your binary narrative.
People are bored of this nonsense now.

wunferall

mrginge wrote: »

Which sound bites and proclamations?
Stop making stuff up to fit your binary narrative.
People are bored of this nonsense now.

Quite so, what's the point of posting relevant factual data or "critical analysis" when it is always roundly ignored? It is obvious that there are some remainers intent purely upon being disagreeable, giving the impression of infantile foot-stamping rather than genuinely debating the topic. There is of course an alternative description for their style of posting.

"Theresa May points out that employment is at a joint record high, the unemployment rate hasn't been lower since 1975, and economic inactivity is at a record low."
Well well, record employment and wages rising faster too. Yes unemployment also rose but the number of economically inactive fell meaning more people were actively looking for work.


Combine that with a fall in inflation and it's looking like good news all round, much to the chagrin of certain remainers who insist that the UK public are beleaguered by Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2018/mar/21/us-fed-interest-rates-uk-unemployment-retail-mothercare-moss-bros-carpetright-business-live?page=with:block-5ab224e2e4b0bc5c3a01d86b#block-5ab224e2e4b0bc5c3a01d86b

gfplux

GreatApe wrote: »

You don't need to pick industries all you need are low taxes free markets and a floating currency the economy will then balance itself out.

There are actions the UK can take to boost its domestic economy at the expense of countries like Germany. It isn't necessary but it can be done. For instance we could put VAT on cars up to say 50%.
The result will be a shift away from more expensive German cars to less expensive cars and a shift to keeping existing cars on the road a couple of years longer. Such a move would lower UK imports and create more domestic repair and maintiance jobs.

Whatever happens whoever is in power a bad deal isn't going to be accepted.
The UK is a large goods importer because the UK is a large service exporter
If service exports are hit in a bad deal then UK goods imports will fall to balance things out.

VAT again. I thought the U.K. employed thousands in the car industry.
As most New cars expensive or otherwise are bought/leased by Companys why would VAT change buying habits.

How will you ever recognise a bad deal unless it poked you in the eye.

Actually do you know anything about business, un intended consequences or trade at all.
Most peoples knowledge of business/trade deals/sales/marketing is limited to the weekly supermarket shop.
I suspect you know more but are pretending you do not.