Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

No external trade negotiations is a non-concession. Until the UK & EU trade relationship is known it's unlikely anything will progress that much.

As for the Irish border I'm afraid you either don't know what you're talking about or lack a cynical bone in your body (I know the latter isn't true).

The Irish border is 'sorted'. The UK has to come up with solutions and agree them with the EU. The red line that was the EU's backstop in case such an agreement couldn't be reached has been quietly agreed. Funny because it caused so much angst just a few days ago.

So according to you EU concessions aren't concessions but UK concessions are? :doh:

The border.
Swedish expert offers post-Brexit Irish border solution

"It doesn't have to be gates, it's doesn't have to be number plate readers, it doesn't have to be CCTV readers, it's up to both sides to decide on the security level,"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43473807

Lornapink

ilovehouses wrote: »

No external trade negotiations is a non-concession.

That's funny because Remainers clipped my wings many times by insisting we will not be allowed to meaningfully negotiate new trade deals until we'd fully left. They assured me that meant starting from scratch once we'd left.


So interesting how Remainers alter their patter when the facts change. I expect to see this all the way through.


Where's the 2016, 17, 18 recessions btw that Remain promised me after the vote was over?

wunferall

Here's something for the remainers here to read.
The UK is a wonderful country and Brits shouldn’t be so pessimistic about leaving the European Union, the Australian High Commissioner has told LBC.
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/iain-dale/no-need-for-brits-to-be-pessimistic-about-brexit/

spadoosh

gfplux wrote: »

One of the posters here is in the IT industry.
I would be interested in a responce to the following.
Thank you.

This is a copy and post from a kitchen table somewhere in the UK

QUOTE
Chatting with my other half this evening.....
The company where he works are in the process of outsourcing a lot of IT jobs to parts of Europe where labour is cheaper.
Hubby is moving his team abroad.
This evening, with a sigh of relief, he said "I've had another Pole authorised"
To make sure I'd understood correctly I asked
"Is this a Polish worker in Poland to do the work that a Brit was doing in Britain?"
"Yes" he said.
The irony of this was not lost on either of us.
END QUOTE

Why arent they sending the IT jobs to China, itd be cheaper still?

GreatApe

Herzlos wrote: »

An increase on vat on New cars will destroy what's left of the car industry and push everyone towards cheaper eastern imports, unless we introduced huge tariffs.

Making a car 30% more expensive (for example) won't make people spend more, they'll spend the same and just get 25% less car.

Close to 80% of the cars build in the UK are exported so the additional VAT would not apply to them.

Close to 80% of the cars bought in the UK are imported so it would apply to them. This indeed means someone who has £24k probably still spends £24k on a new car but buys a cheaper smaller model. Instead of paying £4k vat they pay £8k VAT. The government gets nkre cash and the only loss is one fewer BMW on the road and one extra Ford on the road.

Arklight

Lornapink wrote: »

The Cypriot border is worth pondering. NO I'm not saying it's the all round solution to the Irish border but it is an example of border flexibility

https://www.cyprusholidayadvisor.com/border-crossings.htm

There is no hindrance on border crossings between the South and The North of Cyprus. Since Cyprus joined the EU in in 2003, borders were opened and it has been easier to travel between the North and South. Now, it enables to explore whole island. Local people from both sides enjoy daily shopping by crossing borders. It is also easy for tourists to cross the borders from both sides. We have given some tips those might help you travel to North Cyprus from the South.

Eh?

You have to queue up and go through passport control to cross the border. Admittedly it’s quite quick but it isn’t an open border.

Your link also points out that you can’t even take a hire car over because the insurance is invalid.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

Apart from the UK stalling negotiations with red lines that turn out to be negotiable, yes.

The UK has agreed that there will be regulatory alignment between the EU & NI if a different solution can't be found.

Perhaps you should do some background reading and thinking. Go on, try it - you might be better equipped to take part in the debate.

Start here https://www.google.com

Let me know when the actual debate starts and I might join in, I finished the previous debate on whether we should leave or remain over 18 months ago. Unfortunately it seems that a significant number of contributors still haven’t....

gfplux

Lornapink wrote: »

Brexit means making the UK car sector more competitive as we will do tariff free deals with global component suppliers.

I am not sure you know how the motor industry works or where components are made.
If you do could you expand on your statement.

gfplux

UPDATE

This is apparently a multinational

One of the posters here is in the IT industry.
I would be interested in a responce to the following.
Thank you.

This is a copy and post from a kitchen table somewhere in the UK

QUOTE
Chatting with my other half this evening.....
The company where he works are in the process of outsourcing a lot of IT jobs to parts of Europe where labour is cheaper.
Hubby is moving his team abroad.
This evening, with a sigh of relief, he said "I've had another Pole authorised"
To make sure I'd understood correctly I asked
"Is this a Polish worker in Poland to do the work that a Brit was doing in Britain?"
"Yes" he said.
The irony of this was not lost on either of us.
END QUOTE

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

Thought we were debating whether the EU had conceded that trade talks could take place in the absence of a resolution on the Irish border.

Maybe you've noted what a lot of other people have? The UK have agreed a backstop which crosses their red line but would suit the EU just fine. The onus is on the UK to find an alternative and get the EU to agree. However, by agreeing the backstop there's less incentive for the EU to agree to alternative solutions.

Puts the UK in a poor negotiating position. Asymmetric rewards - the backstop would be no problem for the EU & Ireland but a political disaster for the government.

You sound very much like you know what this backstop position is.
Which is incredible seeing as how there is no actual agreed backstop position.

All that has been agreed is to ‘come up with a backstop’. It’s nothing more than a can kick in order to defer the difficult decisions to being dealt with alongside the trade talks.

I am bored of repeating this, but trade and Irish border get sorted together.
That is and always was the sensible option.