Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

buglawton

In todays news: New blue UK passport to be made in France (due to EU outsourcing rules)
Seems my #7558 post had an inkling of this.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

The EU and UK are 'desiring to create a common regulatory area on the island of Ireland in order to safeguard north-south cooperation, the all-island economy, and protect the 1998 agreement'.

That's the backstop that will apply in the event another solution isn't found. I'm at a loss as to why you think this is a fantasy; it's been widely reported in the media and the text is available in the public domain.

I imagine the DUP are pretty relaxed about it for now. We all knew a final solution hadn't been found and, anyway, they effectively have a veto.

A page or two back you said -

The UK have agreed a backstop

Which I told you was bobbins.
Now you’ve changed that to ‘desiring to create’

Do you not understand the difference between ‘have agreed’ and ‘desire’?

You cannot tell me what this backstop is because it does not exist yet. If the proposal that the eu made had been accepted it would be in the agreement. And it isn’t and the UK have categorically ruled it out.

But just so you are clear. I am not denying the existence of a desire to create an agreement. I am telling you that a desire to create an agreement is semantically the same as saying ‘we will sort this out later’.

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

Is that it?

Ok fine. I guess Jacob Rees mogg will be doing his nut when he eventually gets round to reading politico.eu.

Is politico incorrect? Was the first Google hit.

Reese Mogg has gone suddenly and completely silent. I can't figure out the details but I'm pretty sure he's been bought off.

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

You cannot tell me what this backstop is because it does not exist yet. If the proposal that the eu made had been accepted it would be in the agreement. And it isn!!!8217;t and the UK have categorically ruled it out

May keeps ruling it out to the UK press but agreeing to it with the eu. She's either lying to us or incompetent, but its more important to pay attention to what she does rather than what she says.

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

Is politico incorrect? Was the first Google hit.

Reese Mogg has gone suddenly and completely silent. I can't figure out the details but I'm pretty sure he's been bought off.

What you really mean is that you will just ignore Monday's Question Time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4BkrvCjXkU

BTW, re. the first paragraph you haven't quite grasped what you have yourself quoted it seems. It is a "draft legal withdrawal text". Maybe you need to clarify what "draft" means.

spadoosh

gfplux wrote: »

UPDATE

This is apparently a multinational

One of the posters here is in the IT industry.
I would be interested in a responce to the following.
Thank you.

This is a copy and post from a kitchen table somewhere in the UK

QUOTE
Chatting with my other half this evening.....
The company where he works are in the process of outsourcing a lot of IT jobs to parts of Europe where labour is cheaper.
Hubby is moving his team abroad.
This evening, with a sigh of relief, he said "I've had another Pole authorised"
To make sure I'd understood correctly I asked
"Is this a Polish worker in Poland to do the work that a Brit was doing in Britain?"
"Yes" he said.
The irony of this was not lost on either of us.
END QUOTE

Again, why arent they outsourcing this work to china where it is cheaper still?

Lornapink

buglawton wrote: »

In todays news: New blue UK passport to be made in France (due to EU outsourcing rules)
Seems my #7558 post had an inkling of this.

The French company came in much cheaper. Have we all learned nothing from Carillion & other examples of under-priced bidding that win's the contract but fails to deliver?

How short a memory we have. That French contract will later fail unless the Govt steps in with extra money.


I hope sense will prevail & we award it do De La Reu (UK), thus keeping the money & taxes in the UK.

Lornapink

spadoosh wrote: »

Again, why arent they outsourcing this work to china where it is cheaper still?

May 2016 - (& plenty examples prior to this), German car maker chooses Poland for new engines;


Luxury carmaker Daimler is to build a €500m Mercedes engine factory in Poland, in the latest push by Europe’s car industry into eastern Europe, in search of lower costs.Daimler’s new factory, its first in Poland and only its second engine plant outside of Germany, follows moves by Volkswagen, Fiat and General Motors to invest in the EU’s sixth-largest economy. It also comes just six months after Jaguar Land Rover announced a new £1bn factory in Slovakia, which has become the world’s largest car producer per capita.



https://www.ft.com/content/6e3d4afc-11dc-11e6-bb40-c30e3bfcf63b

Richard_Overton_2911

Lornapink wrote: »

May 2016 - (& plenty examples prior to this), German car maker chooses Poland for new engines;


Luxury carmaker Daimler is to build a !!!8364;500m Mercedes engine factory in Poland, in the latest push by Europe!!!8217;s car industry into eastern Europe, in search of lower costs.Daimler!!!8217;s new factory, its first in Poland and only its second engine plant outside of Germany, follows moves by Volkswagen, Fiat and General Motors to invest in the EU!!!8217;s sixth-largest economy. It also comes just six months after Jaguar Land Rover announced a new £1bn factory in Slovakia, which has become the world!!!8217;s largest car producer per capita.



https://www.ft.com/content/6e3d4afc-11dc-11e6-bb40-c30e3bfcf63b

Makes you wonder why Western EU countries would cut their own throats by allowing poor countries to join the club and take jobs from the West to the East but we are told the EU has been responsible for peace in Europe since WW2 (lol) .

Maybe now is the time for us to move the UK Parliament,Justice system East to Poland, Slovakia,Romania etc to cut costs and raise productivity but that would mean affluent UK middle class people losing their jobs to the East and we can't have that but sacrifice the working class is acceptable or even encouraged............

Gin & Tonic all round.:D

mayonnaise

Lornapink wrote: »

The French company came in much cheaper. Have we all learned nothing from Carillion & other examples of under-priced bidding that win's the contract but fails to deliver?

How short a memory we have. That French contract will later fail unless the Govt steps in with extra money.


I hope sense will prevail & we award it do De La Reu (UK), thus keeping the money & taxes in the UK.

'Sense' is sourcing a good product for a good price.
Awarding a contract to a UK supplier purely based on some narrow minded nationalistic concept of identity and pride would not be 'sense'.
By the way, I didn't know Gemalto has a track record of under-priced bidding and failing to deliver. You learn something each and every day on these forums frequented by subject matter experts on everything.