Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

Rather than worry about cabinet meetings since the government are extremely unlikely to collapse despite the delusions of others, here is Nigel Farage's by-now-familiar "More Good Brexit News" courtesy of LBC.

“The confidence of the financial services sector helped investment in central London offices swell by 26 percent last year to £16.4bn, and 81% of this investment came from overseas.“Investors from Hong Kong seem particularly keen - spending £5.9bn and contributing towards 13.2m sq ft of London office space being taken up in 2017 - the highest annual total since 2001.”

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/more-good-brexit-news-you-ought-to-know-farage/


Surely that can't be right.
After all, the UK is doomed.

tracey3596

phillw wrote: »

According to the Spanish, the Treaty of Utrecht ceded only "the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications and forts thereunto belonging".

The British position is like buying a beach hut and then saying that you own part of the sea.

Eventually we're likely going to have to return it, like all the other places we stole.



You must have been handed a different ballot paper, I wasn't given the chance to vote for or against any of those things. There was only one question on mine, not "questions".

Eyesight problems?
Or memory problems?
Or just plain pernickity?

I didn't say those were questions on the ballot paper; read it again.


Before you think starting another round of multiple posts saying nothing but instead trying to disagree with what I did not say, can we cut to the chase and avoid clogging up the thread?

The question on the ballot paper was simple; "in" or "out".
The list I included in my posts (which you deliberately misinterpreted) clearly shows that acceptance of these would in effect leave us "in" and so be against the result of the vote.
Is that clearer for you?

Arklight

The Tory press are reeling after Corbyn's speech yesterday. They have a peculiarly uncoordinated response (considering they are basically all owned by the same three people, who to all intents and purposes may as well be one person).

But then the governemt is still running a focus group of angry middle aged men in Kent to try and determine an a$$ from an elbow, and therefore despite causing Brexit, being in charge of Brexit, and leading Brexit, has no apparent clue what Brexit might be.

The Telegraph are going with ignoring it altogether and running another EU scare story, leading with “Brussels Accused of Outrageous Attempt to Turn Northern Ireland into EU Province.”

Which is rich when you consider that the existence of Northern Ireland could well be considered to be the result of an outrageous British attempt to turn Ireland into a British province.

The Times are rattled by Business' unexpected support for Corbyn. Apparently Business, sick of this fiasco are now siding behind someone the Right has been trying to convince the world is a communist.

They have, “Liam Fox Attacks Business over Labour Support.” So that’s another enemy of the people that will be brought into line in the glittering new independent future.

The Mail are leading with an astonishing headline that it’s cold in winter. Their Jeremy story is a stern admonishment to their readers to ignore his speech because he only said it because he wants to get elected. I suppose by that measure Mail readers should ignore politicians altogether.

They’re also angry that he sued an awful Tory MP with a wafer thin majority of 1017 using a 'rich mans' libel law' and forced the poor soul to humiliatingly donate to charity (one of which is a food bank in his own constituency). Life would obviously be much easier for the Mail without these wretched libel laws. Probably an EU conspiracy.

The Express is leading on UFOs seen over Stoke.

tracey3596

Back in the real world is more good news for the UK economy.

"Smaller UK factories' sales expectations hit near three-year high"

Some 72 percent of manufacturers expect sales to increase over the next six months, up from 59 percent three months ago, according to the quarterly National Manufacturing Barometer, conducted by business consultancies SWMAS and Economic Growth Solutions.
Manufacturing was the fastest growing sector of Britain's economy in the final three months of last year

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-manufacturing/smaller-uk-factories-sales-expectations-hit-near-three-year-high-survey-idUKKCN1GB00D

phillw

tracey3596 wrote: »

Surely that can't be right.
After all, the UK is doomed.

We're still in the EU and the UK government is still promising they will negotiate a financial services deal with the EU post brexit. Investment is unlikely to be affected until both of those things change.

It's unlikely the government will be able to continue the pretence once we've left and have no deal on financial services.

Then whether companies abandon the UK will depend on their motives and whether we become a low regulation, low taxation safe haven like some pro Brexit MPs want. This gives very little benefit to British people, unless you're an MP/Nigel Farage wanting to become a director of those companies.

tracey3596 wrote: »

Back in the real world is more good news for the UK economy.

"Smaller UK factories' sales expectations hit near three-year high"

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-manufacturing/smaller-uk-factories-sales-expectations-hit-near-three-year-high-survey-idUKKCN1GB00D

It's not exactly good news, it's neutral news for the factories as they have managed to balance out the drop in sterling with an increase in output. However for the rest of us the drop in sterling has had a negative effect.

ukcarper

Id like to know what Labours custom union is, what is included and what is not included, if it is selective, which is what they are saying, how will ir remove the need for border checks. After that what are the chances of EU granting us a say in any future trade deals.

phillw

tracey3596 wrote: »

Eyesight problems?
Or memory problems?
Or just plain pernickity?

I didn't say those were questions on the ballot paper; read it again.

Let's talk about the bit where you clearly said "the questions on the ballot paper were simple enough". It's obviously not my memory that is the problem, maybe it's my comprehension of English?

I've re-quoted it here in case you decide to delete or edit your post.

tracey3596 wrote: »

No squinting is required, the questions on the ballot paper were simple enough.

Anything requiring the UK to make payment to the EU; anything from the EU preventing the UK to make it's own decisions (as with trade deals for example); anything making the UK subject to trading conditions and tariffs which are of the EU's making and not our own; all these things suggest a form of EU membership and the UK public voted against this.

I look forward to your explanation and an apology of your unwarranted insults against me.

tracey3596 wrote: »

Before you think starting another round of multiple posts saying nothing but instead trying to disagree with what I did not say, can we cut to the chase and avoid clogging up the thread?

You did say it though & I expect an explanation of why you are saying things that you then deny. I don't consider that clogging up the thread. We can't have a proper discussion unless we have certainty on what you are saying. No hand waving this away please.

tracey3596 wrote: »

The question on the ballot paper was simple; "in" or "out".

Again, that is not the question on my ballot paper. So I'm worried you didn't have the same one as me. Mine said "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" A lot of things were promised alongside leaving the EU by Pro Brexit MPs in the run up to the referendum, which were incompatible with leaving the EU in the way that you describe.

Before the referendum Nigel Farage was promoting the Norway model as being an alternative to EU membership.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsgX9J51ruw

It's only afterwards that he changed his mind that this somehow wasn't what the 52% of voters in the referendum wanted. Therefore it's impossible to tell what people were voting for & your simplistic in/out argument is not valid. You surely must accept this.

tracey3596 wrote: »

The list I included in my posts (which you deliberately misinterpreted) clearly shows that acceptance of these would in effect leave us "in" and so be against the result of the vote.
Is that clearer for you?

I didn't deliberately misinterpret anything, I took what you said literally. Your list is what you imagined the referendum was about, but it wasn't what was on the ballot paper. Do you understand that now?

ukcarper wrote: »

Id like to know what Labours custom union is, what is included and what is not included, if it is selective, which is what they are saying, how will ir remove the need for border checks. After that what are the chances of EU granting us a say in any future trade deals.

Me too, although at this point I think he'll gain a lot of support in any case. If Theresa Mays government fails then Jeremy Corbyn is going to be up against Jacob Rees Mogg. Tabloids will have fun with two opponents whose name begins with a J.

The UK government has been making enough mistakes that the public have forgotten how badly Tony Blair and Gordon Brown ran the country.

In other news, Boris misses the point completely...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/27/boris-johnson-likens-post-brexit-irish-border-checks-to-congestion-charge

"There's no border between Islington, Camden and Westminster, but when I was mayor of London we anaesthetically and invisibly took hundreds of millions of pounds from people travelling between those two boroughs without any need for border checks" Johnson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

There are indeed border checks at the congestion zone. It's checking vehicles, which have a unique identifier permanently attached and so it can be performed by automatic number plate readers. People don't have such a convenient mechanism (yet), let alone goods in a container.

So unless you're willing to have a unique ID stamped on your forehead, or have a tracking device injected into you then Boris dream will remain a dream.

Lornapink

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/feb/27/brexit-former-international-trade-department-chief-dismisses-foxs-case-for-leaving-customs-union-politics-live


Another expert to ignore as we travel on the road to nowhere.

History shows establishment men rarely understand the need for change and tend to call things wrong. Look at those surrounding Churchill all urging for appeasement. Establishments always close ranks & champion the status quo, probably why they ended up being bureaucrats, it's in their DNA, they're not visionaries, they're rarely in touch.

Use your common sense & think back to the entire establishment claiming Trump would never be nominated, certainly never be POTUS.
The journalists, the think tanks, the experts all said Congress would never pass his tax cuts.

They told us when Trump won, the economy would be badly damaged & not recover, that his supporters would be sorely disappointed 'when reality hit'. The opposite is happening with mass repatriation of corporate profits.

Cant you see you're falling for the same establishment received wisdom now? Why would you chose to do this and not learn from many recent mistakes the establishment men made?

StevieJ

ilovehouses wrote: »

There was a referendum and, if I squint, I can see there's a democratic imperative to leave the EU. There's no democratic imperative to leave the customs union or any other EU entity - any poster saying this is merely pointing out what they hope will happen.

It is weird, 48% voted to stay in the EU, it is stretching it a bit to believe that all 52% of Brexiteers voted Brexit to ensure we leave the customs union :-). I doubt that a substantial proportion of them had even heard of the Customs Unions? I am getting sick and tired of the rabid Brexiteers stamping their own version of Brexit on the discussions and attempting to play the Democracy card at every small deviation.
We all remember this don't we.

Hannan said he hoped for the UK to remain within the "common market", which is the EU's trading group. However, if this were the case, it would still allow for a free movement of labour around Europe.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

wunferall

Despite the obvious chagrin of some remain posters here, it looks like - against the flow of their bitter displeasure - the UK are indeed becoming happier as a nation according to the latest from the ONS.

When the ONS began measuring happiness in 2011, the average happiness score was 7.29. However in 2017 it had risen to 7.52.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/happiness-is-rising-in-the-uk-and-its-driven-by-people-in-england_uk_5a941b6be4b0ee6416a5485f?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage