Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

wunferall

I see Juncker has been criticized for "catapulting" his choice Martin Selmayr to the post of secretary-general of the European Commission. Not only by a German MEP but by French media too.

"The appointment of Martin Selmayr to the EU Commission's most important post must be examined by Parliament," Giegold said in a statement on Monday. "Today, we Greens ask in the Budget Control Committee for an investigation into this cloak-and-dagger operation. The procedures for appointing top officials should be put under scrutiny."

https://www.politico.eu/article/transparency-watchdog-in-european-parliament-questions-martin-selmayr-appointment/
That's your fair, transparent EU Commission for you.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/juncker-s-promotion-of-his-right-hand-man-stirs-unrest-1.3406252
https://www.neweurope.eu/article/selmayr-coronation/

wunferall

phillw wrote: »

You're confusing people ignoring you with people disagreeing with you.

That isn't what my earlier questions for you suggest, is it?

wunferall wrote: »

You again avoid an answer I note. Just as I note that we are still waiting for other answers as yet not given. Just what "stuff that is definitely going to happen" can you list. I strongly suggest you consider your use of the word "definitely" there.

People here seem to like long lists so no excuses please. Go for it. It should be interesting since the only certainty about the future for anybody is their demise, as comes to all of us. EVERYTHING else is variable and more-so where Brexit is involved.

So here's your chance to prove that your knowledge is superior to that of Brexiters as well as of logical-thinking people everywhere. I wont hold my breath waiting for you to explain what is DEFINITELY going to result from Brexit because the truth is that nobody knows.

That was #5890. And #6143

wunferall wrote: »

What is the possibility of a similarly interesting conversation consisting of you answering my three questions?
The ones you still have not answered from yesterday.

!!!8220;You have been asked for evidence of who globally outside the EU views the UK as obstinate.
You have been asked for evidence of who globally outside the EU thinks the UK is stupid because of Brexit.
You haven't answered."

And the last: why should the UK owe the EU anything after exiting the EU if no agreement is reached?

These were ignored. Why then should I think that anything else which it appears you don't like would not be ignored too? There was no disagreement, you just did not answer or is it could not?

Theophile

I voted Leave because I was told we would stay in the Single Market. :doh:

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market

Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the Market

Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

Wouldn't it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They're rich. They're happy. They're self-governing

Nigel Farage, Ukip leader

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people

Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK

Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

StevieJ

wunferall wrote: »

Are you suggesting that Hannon is the only politician ignorant of the implications? Not only has Davis corrected him in your quoted post but the Labour party are discovering this too.

I am putting up the 'poster boy' of the Brexit campaign as a example of a Brexit voter. If Mister Eloquent (informed) Hannon didn't agree that leaving the single market/custom union was a given in the referendum vote, why should it be assumed that of all 52% ?
Tell you what, let us have a another vote now that their is more clarity.

phillw

wunferall wrote: »

These were ignored. Why then should I think that anything else which it appears you don't like would not be ignored too? There was no disagreement, you just did not answer or is it could not?

You're confusing not having time to read and reply to every post you make and purposefully ignoring you.

I'm kinda worried that you have that kind of attachment to me.

And in reply to your question, assume that pretty much everything that remain predicted would happen if we have a hard brexit is going to happen. I don't have the time to list it all. You don't have to believe it, but it's in your interest to prepare for it. You'll thank me in the long run.

I'm not willing to post private discussion with my friends from outside the UK and outside the EU, but you should get a similar response asking yours.

The UK government knows that it hasn't paid up to date all it's pension contributions for the time we were EU members, so at least this would be due if no agreement is reached & the only reason they aren't acknowledging that more vocally is because it's politically damaging. The funding commitments for various projects are also agreed up front and paid in arrears and the individual states make commitments that are independent from EU membership (i.e. there is no clause that leaving the EU wipes out the commitment). You can't cancel your credit card and then say you no longer need to pay the balance, because you don't have the card anymore. The uk government argument is we then own part of the projects when we leave, but a lot of the money is spent building things that the EU then no longer owns.

There is also the EU fund that loans money, which we want money back straight away while they want to give it back when it's repaid by the people taking the loans. That one could go either way based on the negotiations, but there is no argument the money stops existing if we don't reach a deal.

wunferall wrote: »

https://www.politico.eu/article/transparency-watchdog-in-european-parliament-questions-martin-selmayr-appointment/
That's your fair, transparent EU Commission for you.

I don't know if it's sarcasm, because that would be quite ironic, they have a transparency watchdog who are asking questions about something that happened which seems questionable. Which seems way more transparent than UK politics. Where we have people in charge of covering things up.

Theophile

phillw wrote: »

I don't know if it's sarcasm, because that would be quite ironic, they have a transparency watchdog who are asking questions about something that happened which seems questionable. Which seems way more transparent than UK politics. Where we have people in charge of covering things up.

We need a watchdog to scrutinise our Foreign Secretary's statements...

Boris Johnson says handling Irish border problem like managing congestion charge boundary between London councils

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-northern-ireland-customs-union-a8230371.html

:doh:

tracey3596

It's getting more and more like Groundhog day.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Brexiter = makes post.
Remainer = comment. (To be more accurate, 6 or so comments. Why post one when half a dozen will do?)
Brexiter = disagree or prove comment(s) wrong.
Remainer = deride then throw as much mud as possible in the hope that some sticks.

And start again.
Brexiter .........

tracey3596

phillw wrote: »

I don't know if it's sarcasm, because that would be quite ironic, they have a transparency watchdog who are asking questions about something that happened which seems questionable. Which seems way more transparent than UK politics. Where we have people in charge of covering things up.

Theophile wrote: »

We need a watchdog to scrutinise our Foreign Secretary's statements...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-northern-ireland-customs-union-a8230371.html

:doh:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Neither of you read the link in that post, did you?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

The "transparency watchdog" is a German MEP objecting to the way Selmayr was appointed.
So our "transparency watchdog" is each and every MP in Parliament, as it should be BTW.
:T

phillw

tracey3596 wrote: »

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Neither of you read the link in that post, did you?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

The "transparency watchdog" is a German MEP objecting to the way Selmayr was appointed.
So our "transparency watchdog" is each and every MP in Parliament, as it should be BTW.
:T

ROFL on this

https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/home.faces

To raise a complaint in the UK you have to go through the home office.

tracey3596

phillw wrote: »

ROFL on this

https://www.ombudsman.europa.eu/en/home.faces

No relevance to the previous post.
You do realise that anybody can read it, right?
So here is the link again:
https://www.politico.eu/article/transparency-watchdog-in-european-parliament-questions-martin-selmayr-appointment/

I think maybe you're just a bit put out by being so quickly and firmly corrected on your delusions on the DT Brexit thread?