Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Does that include the EU?

Well it is often changing. Look at the latest news, Britain is leaving.

However there is no point in focusing on a group that is considered of no importance to the future of Britain.

gfplux

Rough_Justice wrote: »

That would be the Corbyn whose party said they DIDN'T want a customs union not so long ago, would it?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/24/leaving-eu-single-market-customs-union-brexit-britain-europe
Note please that it's by Barry Gardiner who is Labour's Shadow Trade Secretary.

Don't worry though.
When Corbyn sees just how much this will cost his party he'll no doubt flip-flop again.

Jeremy Corbyn's customs union plan 'impossible to deliver'
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyns-customs-union-plan-impossible-to-deliver-11268822

We have had Her Majesty’s Government flip-flop

We now have her Majesty’s Opposition Party Flip-flop.

A perfect negotiating stragedy if you want to bamboozle the EU and British Citizens.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Does Labour have a competent front bench capable enough of negotiating the UKs exit. There's a thought. Labour beneath the surface are deeply divided.

Just like the Tory front bench except it’s not below the surface.

ukcarper

Tromking wrote: »

As usual the democratic imperative to leave the EU and its incumbent treaties is ignored.

This is the thing the vast majority of MPs voted for the Referendum but now they dont like the result thy are trying to ignore it. If they felt that strong they should not have voted for a referendum.

Enterprise_1701C

gfplux wrote: »

Again a post focused on a EU that Britain is leaving.

However Spain is not leaving something that puts the future of Ceuta and Mellila in question.

Leaving the eu should not put the future of Gib in question, it is British. Has being in the eu stopped Spain blockading the road border? Has being in the eu stopped Spain sending their warships into Gibraltarian waters? Has it stopped Spain preventing planes from flying into Spanish airspace. Spanish vessels breached UN rules and sailed into Gib's waters 1200 times in less than 3 years. It is said that Barnier has not yet spoken with Gib's officials because he is scared of what will happen in Madrid if he does.

I personally think that if we stayed in the eu then Spain would persuade the idiots at the top to hand them Gibraltar anyway. As evidenced by the way the eu have done little or nothing to stop Spain's actions.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/feb/27/brexit-former-international-trade-department-chief-dismisses-foxs-case-for-leaving-customs-union-politics-live


Another expert to ignore as we travel on the road to nowhere.

gfplux

The legal document prepared by the EU to cover the agreements made in phase on will be out now on Thursday according to Politico or Wednesday according to Bloomberg.
This is part of what Politico says

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THE NEXT BIG STORY: Chief negotiator Michel Barnier will update the EU27 on Brexit today at a private meeting of the general affairs council, while the European Parliament’s Brexit coordinator Guy Verhofstadt will update MEPs on the constitutional affairs committee. But the big story coming down the track is the publication later this week of the EU’s draft of the Withdrawal Agreement — a legal document putting into law the Phase 1 deal hammered out with Britain before Christmas. The Telegraph and the Guardian confirm yesterday’s FT scoop that the document will set out a fallback solution for the Irish border issue that would effectively mean Northern Ireland staying inside the EU customs union.

Useful explainer: From the Telegraph’s Europe Editor Peter Foster.

Panic stations: Theresa May phoned Leo Varadkar last night to discuss the issue — but seems to have got short shrift from the Irish PM. According to the readout from Dublin (tweeted here by Sky News’ Darren McCaffrey) Varadkar made clear to May “the necessity from the EU side to have the detail of the backstop option of full regulatory alignment spelled out in the draft legal text.” Expect this one to explode within the next couple of days.

Leakwatch: Unusually for the EU, the draft text has not leaked yet. It is due to be presented to diplomats and key officials tomorrow, with Thursday the most likely date for official publication.
END QUOTE.

AND BLOOMBERG.

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The European Union will publish a draft Brexit withdrawal treaty on Wednesday and it’s set to be explosive: It will ignore Theresa May’s recent requests about the transition and risks prompting a domestic crisis over the sensitive issue of the Irish border.

The agreements reached in December to move Brexit talks along to trade have now been written into legal text, Tim Ross and Ian Wishart report. There are still some holes to fill in, but the 100-page document will become the basis of the withdrawal deal that both sides want completed by the end of the year.

Talks are continuing on the shape of the Brexit transition period, so it might look a bit combative to the Brits for the EU to publish a legal text on what it will look like, particularly as the document is not expected to take into account May’s recent proposal for the transition to be of flexible length. Once again, it looks to the U.K. as if the EU is taking the initiative and boxing in the U.K.
END QUOTE

fewgroats

How is there no "and"? How are we to trade with the EU? How are we going to cope with the less trade with countries outside the EU? Is Ireland going to sort itself out? It's like covering ourselves with snow for eternity!

tracey3596

ilovehouses wrote: »

There was a referendum and, if I squint, I can see there's a democratic imperative to leave the EU. There's no democratic imperative to leave the customs union or any other EU entity - any poster saying this is merely pointing out what they hope will happen.

No squinting is required, the questions on the ballot paper were simple enough.

Anything requiring the UK to make payment to the EU; anything from the EU preventing the UK to make it's own decisions (as with trade deals for example); anything making the UK subject to trading conditions and tariffs which are of the EU's making and not our own; all these things suggest a form of EU membership and the UK public voted against this.

Staying in EU customs union a 'sell-out' for Britain, says Fox

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/26/staying-in-eu-customs-union-a-sell-out-for-britain-says-fox

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Spanish vessels breached UN rules and sailed into Gib's waters 1200 times in less than 3 years.

According to the Spanish, the Treaty of Utrecht ceded only "the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications and forts thereunto belonging".

The British position is like buying a beach hut and then saying that you own part of the sea.

Eventually we're likely going to have to return it, like all the other places we stole.

tracey3596 wrote: »

No squinting is required, the questions on the ballot paper were simple enough.

Anything requiring the UK to make payment to the EU; anything from the EU preventing the UK to make it's own decisions (as with trade deals for example); anything making the UK subject to trading conditions and tariffs which are of the EU's making and not our own; all these things suggest a form of EU membership and the UK public voted against this.

You must have been handed a different ballot paper, I wasn't given the chance to vote for or against any of those things. There was only one question on mine, not "questions". Pretty much half the public voted for membership of the EU, pretty much half voted against. The google searches being made after the vote closes made it clear that a lot of people didn't know what they had voted for.

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/feb/27/brexit-former-international-trade-department-chief-dismisses-foxs-case-for-leaving-customs-union-politics-live

Another expert to ignore as we travel on the road to nowhere.

I think it's pretty clear now that experts telling people facts is not going to make any difference, people have been sold a dream and they aren't letting go.

ukcarper wrote: »

This is the thing the vast majority of MPs voted for the Referendum but now they dont like the result thy are trying to ignore it. If they felt that strong they should not have voted for a referendum.

They thought it would shut up the tiny number of vocal euro sceptic MPs who spent 40 years ruining the chances of the EU to succeed.