Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

wunferall

StevieJ wrote: »

It is weird, 48% voted to stay in the EU, it is stretching it a bit to believe that all 52% of Brexiteers voted Brexit to ensure we leave the customs union :-). I doubt that a substantial proportion of them had even heard of the Customs Unions? I am getting sick and tired of the rabid Brexiteers stamping their own version of Brexit on the discussions and attempting to play the Democracy card at every small deviation.
We all remember this don't we.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

Just as most Brexiters are getting sick and tired at constant remainer attempts to subvert a democratic vote you mean?

It's really quite simple. The referendum outcome was that the people of the UK wanted to leave the EU. Not bits of it, and nothing suggested keeping parts of the EU. Leave the EU, that was the decision.

StevieJ

wunferall wrote: »

Despite the obvious chagrin of some remain posters here, it looks like - against the flow of their bitter displeasure - the UK are indeed becoming happier as a nation according to the latest from the ONS.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/happiness-is-rising-in-the-uk-and-its-driven-by-people-in-england_uk_5a941b6be4b0ee6416a5485f?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

Then again much of the UK were suffering from Post Traumatic Financial Stress Disorder in 2011. Soon to be replaced by Post Traumatic Brexit Stress Disorder.

StevieJ

wunferall wrote: »

Just as most Brexiters are getting sick and tired at constant remainer attempts to subvert a democratic vote you mean?

It's really quite simple. The referendum outcome was that the people of the UK wanted to leave the EU. Not bits of it, and nothing suggested keeping parts of the EU. Leave the EU, that was the decision.

I am pretty sure Hannon voted for Brexit.

Hannan had said the UK should stay within the “common market” - the EU trading group - but Davis reminded him that meant Britain would still have to allow in unlimited numbers of European workers.

phillw

wunferall wrote: »

Despite the obvious chagrin of some remain posters here, it looks like - against the flow of their bitter displeasure - the UK are indeed becoming happier as a nation according to the latest from the ONS.

Our government is promising the EU will accept our three basket of cakes plan, which the EU say they won't, happiness and reality often diverges. Current happiness shouldn't be used as an indication of future happiness.

Lornapink wrote: »

They told us when Trump won, the economy would be badly damaged & not recover, that his supporters would be sorely disappointed 'when reality hit'. The opposite is happening with mass repatriation of corporate profits.

Reality takes a while to hit. You would have to ask yourself whether the short term apparent gains are worth lowering your standards and supporting Trump. It might take a decade or more for his supporters to realise that they backed the wrong horse.

wunferall

StevieJ wrote: »

I am pretty sure Hannon voted for Brexit.

Are you suggesting that Hannon is the only politician ignorant of the implications? Not only has Davis corrected him in your quoted post but the Labour party are discovering this too.

phillw

wunferall wrote: »

Are you suggesting that Hannon is the only politician ignorant of the implications? Not only has Davis corrected him in your quoted post but the Labour party are discovering this too.

It's their job to know. If they don't then how can you expect the voters in the referendum to know. The corrections made to politicians were labelled as project fear and painted as an obvious lie to prevent people voting leave.

Therefore we have to assume that a reasonable percentage of the voters didn't know what they were voting for, which puts in serious doubt which way the 48% vs 52% would swing.

wunferall

phillw wrote: »

It's their job to know. If they don't then how can you expect the voters in the referendum to know. The corrections made to politicians were labelled as project fear and painted as an obvious lie to prevent people voting leave.

Therefore we have to assume that a reasonable percentage of the voters didn't know what they were voting for, which puts in serious doubt which way the 48% vs 52% would swing.

Put that to Jeremy Corbyn would you please.

phillw

wunferall wrote: »

Put that to Jeremy Corbyn would you please.

What is his mobile number?
What is your point?

wunferall

Why ask when we both know that you'll ignore any answer? But just for you, this from the DT Brexit thread explains rather nicely and saves my fingers at the same time.

MidlandsGlory wrote: »

I don't understand why the media are giving serious coverage to Corbyn's fantasy 'policy' today.

"Labour support a customs union". So what? as Laura Kuenssberg just asked him, "but how?" his answer was 'by negotiating' well that's easy to say when your not in the game.

Until and if the EU ever say a separate special customs union is in the slightest bit possible, only then its a story.

But they haven't.. so Corbyn may as well have a policy of a unicorn for everyone in the country, he has the same chance of delivering it.

Lies, damn lies.

It shows how much he knows and he's party leader!

phillw

wunferall wrote: »

Why ask when we both know that you'll ignore any answer?

You're confusing people ignoring you with people disagreeing with you.

wunferall wrote: »

It shows how much he knows and he's party leader!

People not understanding what brexit means is not news to me. I think it's pretty obvious that it's the blind leading the blind. What I don't get is why some people are so insistent about being led off a cliff.

That thread doesn't prove anything, he might be ready to accept brexit in name only or he might be trying to get people to vote for him and then deliver a hard brexit. That is politics for you, Theresa May is playing the same game so it would be unfair to single him out.

David Davis is obviously a sacrificial lamb being sent to the EU to not actually negotiate anything. It's impossible to say whether Jeremy would do the same. But Jeremy has a less confrontational opening stance than Theresa May and if you know anything about negotiating then out of the two you wouldn't pick the current government.