Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Rough_Justice

Theophile wrote: »

Try to understand the difference between Hong Kong and New Territories and come back to me once you're up to date.

I understand.
You do not.
Read my post again and note that Hong Kong is made up of Hong Kong Island; Kowloon; and The New Territories.
If that's not enough try this:
http://www.discoverhongkong.com/uk/plan-your-trip/traveller-info/about-hong-kong/location.jsp

Rough_Justice

Filo25 wrote: »

I would love to think there was some top secret strategy going on here, instead I think its a case of May taking a position to try to keep both wings of the Tories happy and as a result coming up with one that won't even be seriously discussed by the EU.

Equally if our desired outcome is so top secret that we never actually get around to telling the EU what it is, it isn't likely to lead to a successful outcome to negotiations......

The things is I agree that there are probably some divisions between EU countries which can be exploited to a limited extent but to do that we will have to at least have to put some proposals forward that won't be laughed out of the room.

Iif there is some top secret strategy at work here, it seems to be putting far more pressure on the British government than the EU so far.

To use a different analogy to yours our policy at present seems to be to offer £1k for house valued at £500k, and then to come back with £10k as a second offer and wonder why we aren't making much progress.

That's a great deal of verbosity just for an opinion.
Mine is that things are in hand regarding Brexit and we'll know the outcome in just over a year.
Simples.
No need for imaginary wanderings, analogies or any other bluster.

Theophile

Rough_Justice wrote: »

I understand.
You do not.
Read my post again and note that Hong Kong is made up of Hong Kong Island; Kowloon; and The New Territories.
If that's not enough try this:
http://www.discoverhongkong.com/uk/plan-your-trip/traveller-info/about-hong-kong/location.jsp

And Hong Kong Island was ceded in perpetuity.
Glad we got there, although it was a bit of a struggle.;)

Rough_Justice

:wall:

Theophile wrote: »

And Hong Kong Island was ceded in perpetuity.
Glad we got there, although it was a bit of a struggle.;)

You didn't say "island" in your post though, did you?

Theophile wrote: »

Hong Kong was also ceded IN PERPETUITY.

At least now you accept your error.
So yes, I too am glad that I finally managed to lead you there.
Perhaps now the foolhardy retorts can cease.
:T

Theophile

Yawn.
Moving on....

Corbyn's call for new customs union praised by UK business

Corbyn speeches being praised by the business community. How things change.
We'll be talking about remaining in 'the' Customs Union soon.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/26/labour-wins-plaudits-from-uk-business-after-brexit-speech
WTO is now dead. No matter how loud some brexit ultras on a forlorn internet forum bleat about it.

Thrugelmir

Theophile wrote: »

Yawn.
Moving on....
Corbyn speeches being praised by the business community. How things change.

Well it is the Guardian....

which was met by a cautious welcome from industry representatives.

Then there's the caveats.

Corbyns suggestion that Labour would want single market exemptions to help protect its desire to nationalise certain industries

Back to the UK cherry picking......... no way.

buglawton

gfplux wrote: »

If Britain want a customs Union that will cost a few £billion.

From the Independent
Countries such as Switzerland and Norway do enjoy tariff-free access without being part of the customs union but both accept free movement and make contributions to the EU budget.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/customs-union-what-is-eu-brexit-single-market-alternatives-labour-corbyn-speech-a8228696.html

It seems that Turkey pays nowt to be in the customs union.
https://infacts.org/briefings/turkish-option/
They can’t sell services to the EU on that basis but then that doesn’t matter to an economy Like theirs.

Of course the EU would demand in return for a services gateway both a huge subscription and concessions that allow the poorer parts of the EU to continue converting their unemployment into our overcrowding.

A customs union solution is beginning to look inevitable for the UK. One can just hope that the British electorate recognise the blatant ransom aspect of membership.

Rough_Justice

That would be the Corbyn whose party said they DIDN'T want a customs union not so long ago, would it?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/24/leaving-eu-single-market-customs-union-brexit-britain-europe
Note please that it's by Barry Gardiner who is Labour's Shadow Trade Secretary.

Don't worry though.
When Corbyn sees just how much this will cost his party he'll no doubt flip-flop again.

Jeremy Corbyn's customs union plan 'impossible to deliver'
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyns-customs-union-plan-impossible-to-deliver-11268822

buglawton

Yep it’s the Labour about-face I anticipated last Sept in the ‘Corbynomics’ thread. Never trust a politician.

Theophile

buglawton wrote: »

A customs union solution is beginning to look inevitable for the UK. One can just hope that the British electorate recognise the blatant ransom aspect of membership.

The British electorate voted Leave as a knee-jerk reaction to - perceived - negative aspects of immigration.
The British electorate doesn't have a clue nor gives a fig about our ability to strike deals with the Philippines or Peru.
Customs Union should be an easy sell.