Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

Moby wrote: »

Nonsense and you know it. No one voted to become poorer.

The real nonsense is what you're writing.
People voted to leave the EU.

Moby wrote: »

Wishful thinking. Hoping for fragmention in Europe so you can have your way. Very Irresponsible. Do you know anything about European history?

No I am not, as said before. Please at least try to learn the difference between pointing out what is happening and what someone wishes for. BTW I suspect that my knowledge of European history far exceeds yours; I for example am aware that it has been a long history of division.

Those politicians can never unite this country.

Who can?
I prosperous future outside the EU will do more to unite this country than any one current politician appears capable of.


The rest of your post isn't worthy of response TBH being no more than opinionated anti-Brexit rhetoric.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

Just because someone does not want unfettered immigration does not make them a racist, its the cry from people who are happy with unfettered immigration, that those who arent are racist that has lead us to where we are now.

Right, they want to pick and choose from immigrants coming here to steal our jobs and claim benefits because we are morally able to judge those lower quality than ourselves without accepting the xenophobic label.

What has lead us to where we are now is pandering to the xenophobics by not educating them so they think it's perfectly ok to take that view point.

mrginge

phillw wrote: »

That's fine. The channel tunnel is 50k long, they can wait in there.

I wouldn’t recommend that as all us xenophobics are planning on cementing it up as soon as the clock ticks past midnight on Independence Day.

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

How can the hordes of leave voters who insisted that the EU would roll over and offer us a fantastic deal under pressure from their big businesses get it quite so wrong?

What on earth are going on about? Trade is an every day event. That happens two ways. Either the EU values the UK market or it doesn't. Nothing more complex than that. There's a default position that benefits the UK Treasury, i.e. import duties under WTO rules. However tieing trade by imposing political objectives is another matter. Big business can relocate at a whim. If the terms are unfavourable to them. Profit is their only driver as there's no social conscience for their employees.

Macron wants a slice of the City of London action. Don't require much thinking as to why the EU is therefore uncooperative. Everybody has an agenda to benefit themselves. Meanwhile the real issue is in New York. As US banks are on the ones looking to dominant. With Trump's tax agenda giving them an advantage.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

Right, they want to pick and choose from immigrants coming here to steal our jobs and claim benefits because we are morally able to judge those lower quality than ourselves without accepting the xenophobic label.

What has lead us to where we are now is pandering to the xenophobics by not educating them so they think it's perfectly ok to take that view point.

You are just proving my point.

tracey3596

Well remainers tries so hard with the "r" word and that failed (as have all their anti-Brexit tactics but hey) so now we'll try again with using the "xenophobic" accusations.
Will some remainers never learn?

The real xenophobes reside within mainland Europe and specifically mainland EU, thanks (it must be said) in large part to Merckel's invitation to all and sundry.

Which EU countries are Bhurkas banned in?

Germany sees near-daily attacks upon refugee centres. (1)

Across the EU borders are up to prevent the movement of Migrants - despite Schengen!

Italy: "Italy is 'steeped in hate', Amnesty warns amid toxic election campaign" https://www.thelocal.it/20180222/italy-election-campaign-hate-amnesty-international-italia

And yet they call the UK "xenophobic".
:rotfl:
That's why still more come to the UK from the EU (and elsewhere) obviously.


1 : http://www.dw.com/en/refugee-centers-in-germany-suffer-near-daily-attacks/a-41250754

Ballard

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What on earth are going on about? Trade is an every day event. That happens two ways. Either the EU values the UK market or it doesn't. Nothing more complex than that. There's a default position that benefits the UK Treasury, i.e. import duties under WTO rules. However tieing trade by imposing political objectives is another matter. Big business can relocate at a whim. If the terms are unfavourable to them. Profit is their only driver as there's no social conscience for their employees.

Macron wants a slice of the City of London action. Don't require much thinking as to why the EU is therefore uncooperative. Everybody has an agenda to benefit themselves. Meanwhile the real issue is in New York. As US banks are on the ones looking to dominant. With Trump's tax agenda giving them an advantage.

Oh dear. I shall try to make this as simple as possible:

Before the referendum:
Remainers expressed concern that access to the EU would become more difficult and more expensive.
Many Leavers countered this by insisting that ‘they need us more than we need them’ and as a consequence ‘BMW, VW et all will be knocking on Merkels door insisting that a tariff free deal is struck as a matter of urgency’. ‘Do you honestly think that big business in Germany will allow tariffs to be imposed?’

Post referendum:
The big German companies issued a statement saying that although it would be a blow for tariffs to be imposed they weighed up the options and decided that it would be better for their business to allow the EU/UK tariffs to be imposed.


My conclusion is that the leave position on this matter prior to the referendum was at best misguided.

tracey3596

Ballard wrote: »

Oh dear. I shall try to make this as simple as possible:

Before the referendum:
Remainers expressed concern that access to the EU would become more difficult and more expensive.
Many Leavers countered this by insisting that !!!8216;they need us more than we need them!!!8217; and as a consequence !!!8216;BMW, VW et all will be knocking on Merkels door insisting that a tariff free deal is struck as a matter of urgency!!!8217;. !!!8216;Do you honestly think that big business in Germany will allow tariffs to be imposed?!!!8217;

Post referendum:
The big German companies issued a statement saying that although it would be a blow for tariffs to be imposed they weighed up the options and decided that it would be better for their business to allow the EU/UK tariffs to be imposed.


My conclusion is that the leave position on this matter prior to the referendum was at best misguided.

There's one small problem with your conclusion.


Brexit negotiations have not yet been concluded so the only "misguided" thing there is your opinion.
In other words you are premature.

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

The big German companies issued a statement saying that although it would be a blow for tariffs to be imposed they weighed up the options and decided that it would be better for their business to allow the EU/UK tariffs to be imposed.

Not sure which statement you are making reference to. Your comment suggests a total misunderstanding of the broader view. Full studies however provide a much better backdrop and balanced view.

In the estimation of German companies, the withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union will represent a significant drag on the trade of goods and services. The business outlook of companies which are engaged in trade with the United Kingdom is worsening significantly, as expected cost burdens due to taxes and tariffs and increasing bureaucratic hurdles at Europe's new borders will negatively affect business on both sides. The magnitude of this effect largely depends on negotiations between the United Kingdom and the EU.

At the top of the agenda for companies with regard to the upcoming Brexit talks, and for the negotiations of a trade agreement between the EU and the United Kingdom which are likely to follow is preserving the free movement of goods and avoiding an increase in customs bureaucracy.
88 percent of companies view the prevention of tariffs and import taxes as an important issue for the upcoming negotiations. Close behind, with 83 percent, is the challenge of minimizing bureaucratic red tape with regard to customs. After the UK withdraws from the EU, after all, companies would likely have to file formal customs declarations for imports and exports, as well as having to
obtain export licenses for certain goods.

https://www.ihk-nuernberg.de/de/media/PDF/en/dihk-impact-of-brexit.pdf

Ballard

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not sure which statement you are making reference to. Your comment suggests a total misunderstanding of the broader view. Full studies however provide a much better backdrop and balanced view.



https://www.ihk-nuernberg.de/de/media/PDF/en/dihk-impact-of-brexit.pdf

Did the German manufacturers insist that tariff-free trade continued post Brext? I haven’t been able to find anything that says that they did.