Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

As far as I understand there are border checks between Turkey and EU.[/QUOTE

https://www.ft.com/content/b4458652-f42d-11e6-8758-6876151821a6

4K, and 7k line of waiting trucks. 17k is the record.

gfplux

Ballard wrote: »

Brexiters can go on about the EU demanding things but one of the main arguments pre-referendum is that they need us more than we need them so how on earth are they in a position to demand?

We were repeatedly told that the big German corporations would be demanding that Merkel ensures that free trade continued between the UK and EU.

Not only did this not happen but Germany's massive auto industry immediately stated that they didn't want free trade with us.

How could the Leave campaign, who were apparently so certain of EU capitalisation over the issue, have got this quite so wrong?

It’s very strange I have not heard a Brexiter say they need us more than we need them for some time. Could they have got it wrong?

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Or how badly people are informed.

Brake Block Brexit - How a hard Brexit would impact the
German automotive industry


https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/de/Documents/Brexit/Brexit-Briefings_Pt5_Hard-Brexit-German-car-industry.pdf

I'm sure that all vested interests will surface once the draft terms are agreed. Remember that the EU individually has to ratify the agreement. That's when the fun really starts.

Actually the agreement has only to be ratified by the EU parliament. It does not have to go out to each of the EU27 Governments to be ratified.
This was a clever move by the EU parliament right at the beginning after Britain activated A50.

Did you miss that?

tracey3596

gfplux wrote: »

It’s very strange I have not heard a Brexiter say they need us more than we need them for some time. Could they have got it wrong?

Maybe "they" are just tired of consistently having facts ignored by remainers?

tracey3596

gfplux wrote: »

What is it with your obsession with the future of the EU. You want to leave yet you also want the EU to to collapse. Smacks of if I can not be a member I don’t want anyone to be a member.

You're not reading the posts before jumping in, are you?


That was answered in post #6211 with my reply to another poster suggesting the same:

tracey3596 wrote: »

Not at all.

You either didn't read that or it seems that you cannot differentiate between reports of what is happening within the EU and a desire for something to happen.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

I know plenty of people who voted to leave, they don't think of themselves as racists or idiots but their actions and their admissions give them away.

Some of them were taken in by the big red bus, some of them stop wanting to give money to "them" without understanding that it wasn't just about foreigners taking OUR money. If they meet a foreign person they are perfectly civil, but still xenophobic.



Only 52%. There is no way that the german car manufacturers will rescue brexit for the leavers. It looks like it's down to Jeremy to save us remoaners now.

Just because someone does not want unfettered immigration does not make them a racist, its the cry from people who are happy with unfettered immigration, that those who arent are racist that has lead us to where we are now.

tracey3596

gfplux wrote: »

Actually the agreement has only to be ratified by the EU parliament. It does not have to go out to each of the EU27 Governments to be ratified.
This was a clever move by the EU parliament right at the beginning after Britain activated A50.

Did you miss that?

But who makes up the European Parliament?
Yes, MEP's from EU member countries.
Thrugelmir didn't say each member country's government must ratify any agreement.
Did you miss that?
:wall:

Moby

tracey3596 wrote: »

If that is true then to comply with the referendum result we should cease negotiations and leave now.
To do otherwise very clearly would go against the wishes of those voters.

Nonsense and you know it. No one voted to become poorer.

No, you look at my previous reply. The EU are already divided - as is only natural when you try and organise 27 different nations with differing cultures, histories, languages and outlooks. Such divisions as exist in this country are purely the result of those - like yourself - attempting to subvert a democratic decision. Given recent events in Spain you would, it appears, if you were Spanish rather than British face the possibility of incarceration for disagreeing with an official government position.

Wishful thinking. Hoping for fragmention in Europe so you can have your way. Very Irresponsible. Do you know anything about European history?

Hey it's not me that wants it: it's the EU.
They are the ones pushing for it as shown very clearly.
Why do you keep ignoring that fact?
If (and try to be honest) IF Mogg/Gove/Johnson achieve their aims it will be as a direct result of the continual push of Europhiles like yourself who are determined to ignore a democratic vote.
At least you are correct insofar as crunch time is coming.
It seems that you don't like the direction it looks like taking the UK in.

Those politicians can never unite this country.

"Us Breexiteers" are those who voted by a majority for Brexit.
You are absolutely within your rights to disagree but to attempt to ignore or overturn the decision is why such fragmentation exists.
And that is mostly in media and in forums like this, not elsewhere.
Try to accept that - much though you don't like it - most people just want Brexit to be over and done so that the country can move on.

People united behind Brexit, hence the referendum result and ergo THAT is what people want.
The UK to leave the EU.

Democracy has not stopped. Farage said he would continue campaigning if it had gone the other way. Why don't you accept a referendum on the deal itself once we see what has actually been agreed? Are you scared of losing it? Why can't you accept a compromise on a customs union. Its extremist zealotry imo. You want everything your own way on 52% of the vote. That's not going to happen!

gfplux

tracey3596 wrote: »

Maybe "they" are just tired of consistently having facts ignored by remainers?

No it has very very slowly dawned on Brexiters that after having a period between June 2016 and March 2019 (33 months) ALL major car manufacturers are having enough time to modify their supply chains to have reduced any potential damage to their business.

Actually with a further 21 or 24 month transition period having been discussed for months they may well be counting on 54 months to modify their supply chains and even investments in new plant.

Now with Theresa May talking about an open ended transition period any leverage talked about with They need us more than we need them has dribbled through the fingers of Brexiters like dry sand.

ukcarper

BobQ wrote: »

Which red lines? Please distinguish real red lines with what you believe was meant.

My view is the only defensible redline you can take from the vote is that we should be outside the EU (the political institutions).

No deal through EEA membership all meet that requirement.

To me even though I voted remain it is obvious that the people who voted leave though we would no longer be automatically subject to EU Laws and would have control over our own immigrantation policy.