Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

tracey3596 wrote: »

But who makes up the European Parliament?
Yes, MEP's from EU member countries.
Thrugelmir didn't say each member country's government must ratify any agreement.
Did you miss that?
:wall:

Well I think he thought that. It’s good to set the record straight.

Richard_Overton_2911

Moby wrote: »

Merkel and Macron are on the world stage negotiating with Putin over Syria. In contrast we are fighting like rats in a sack over Brexit. How far have we fallen in international significance!

You actually believe Putin will take Macron and Merkel seriously?.. Its laughable to suggest Macron and Merkel have any clout on the world stage with regards to military issues.

I'm sure you realise that Germany is in crisis over its lack of a long term military strategy, its Navy for the first time in its entire history has sent its latests ships back to the manufacturers because they performed so badly at the sea trials . The issues with the ships are substantial hardware and software and not easily solved. The German military main Battle rifle the H&K G36 is being replaced "post haste" because its a pile of rubbish in warm weather.......... The leaky drive shaft seals on the QE Carrier is small beer in comparison...

"Merkel & Macron "negotiating" with Putin over Syria ". I genuinely nearly choked on my coffee when reading this. Its as though you think Merkel et al control NATO when in fact Germany has spent little on its military so the best they can do against Putin is more sanctions and they haven't worked so far..

Theophile

ukcarper wrote: »

To me even though I voted remain it is obvious that the people who voted leave though we would no longer be automatically subject to EU Laws and would have control over our own immigrantation policy.

We can't base policy on what we think people probably maybe perhaps possibly thought.
Including immigrantation.

gfplux

So no one wanted to argue against Sky News story about Wales. Very sad for wales but I suppose it!!!8217;s not in your back yard.
So new update.

A list of areas and industries that may be affected in a NEGATIVE way after or during Brexit updated on 25th February 2018

higher roaming charges
Loss of EHIC medical support
British Cancer sufferers
Pet travel
British Students.
EU27 Students.
British Citizens living in the EU27
EU Citizens living in Britain
Belgian confectionary / chocolatiers
Danish pork industry
French agriculture
Spanish agriculture
Italian agriculture.
British Haulage industry
Any British manufacturing using EU components
Any British company with EU customers
Germanys car Industry
Dutch flower growers
Rotterdam Port
Dover already damaged by large numbers of non EU immigrants landing and not moving on. Will be further damaged after Brexit.
Calais already damaged due to large number of non EU immigrants congregating in attempting to gain entry to the UK. Will be further damaged after Brexit
French wine makers
Holyhead Port
People/businesses close to the N Ireland/ROI Border
ROI
Japanese car makers in Britain
British Farmers during the withdrawal of £3 billion a year subsidies.
London Financial business.
Seasonal workers from the old Eastern Europe.
Aviation Industry
Gibraltar
Anguilla
Falkland Islands
Other British Overseas Territories
Big sporting events such as rugby World Cups Due to staffing issues.
Pharmaceutical approval.
Driving Licences
Car Insurance.
Welsh Sheep Farmers
The Welsh Language
The Welsh Steel Industry

Ballard

tracey3596 wrote: »

How can who have got what quite so wrong?
:think:

According to Fullfact the EU sells us £80 billion more than we sell them.
Each and every year.
That is more than the entire GDP of EU member countries Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia combined.


The EU are not in a position to demand.
But when has that ever stopped them in the past?

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6543/germany_buckles_business_admits_it_needs_uk_market

How can the hordes of leave voters who insisted that the EU would roll over and offer us a fantastic deal under pressure from their big businesses get it quite so wrong?

I thought that I’d made my question perfectly clear. Apologies if you couldn’t understand it.

mrginge

gfplux wrote: »

Now with Theresa May talking about an open ended transition period any leverage talked about with They need us more than we need them has dribbled through the fingers of Brexiters like dry sand.

One suspects that the only dribbling being done is by those who believe in the true horror about to befall us. If only we had a list so that we could all partake.

Richard_Overton_2911

gfplux wrote: »

So no one wanted to argue against Sky News story about Wales. Very sad for wales but I suppose it!!!8217;s not in your back yard.
So new update.

A list of areas and industries that may or may not be affected in a NEGATIVE way after or during Brexit updated on 25th February 2018

Most Pointless post of the day , ..........;)

ukcarper

Theophile wrote: »

We can't base policy on what we think people probably maybe perhaps possibly thought.
Including immigrantation.

So you really think that people voted to leave in name only. Its only a few remainers trying to ignore the obvious notice I say a few. Id rather the vote had gone the other way but it is no good trying to deny that it did.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Actually the agreement has only to be ratified by the EU parliament. It does not have to go out to each of the EU27 Governments to be ratified.
This was a clever move by the EU parliament right at the beginning after Britain activated A50.

Did you miss that?

As Individual countries can’t veto the withdrawal treaty. I assume that you are referring to :-

"3. As from 1 November 2014 and subject to the provisions laid down in the Protocol on transitional provisions, in cases where, under the Treaties, not all the members of the Council
participate in voting, a qualified majority shall be defined as follows:

(a) A qualified majority shall be defined as at least 55 % of the members of the Council representing the participating Member States, comprising at least 65 % of the population of these States.

A blocking minority must include at least the minimum number of Council members representing more than 35 % of the population of the participating Member States, plus one member,
failing which the qualified majority shall be deemed attained;

(b) By way of derogation from point (a), where the Council does not act on a proposal from the Commission or from the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security
Policy, the qualified majority shall be defined as at least 72 % of the members of the Council representing the participating Member States, comprising at least 65 % of the population of these
States."

Trade agreements are a totally different matter. As most likely will require unanimous vote of ratification by EU member states. The EU doesn't have sufficent powers to implement one unilaterally.

phillw

gfplux wrote: »

4K, and 7k line of waiting trucks. 17k is the record.

That's fine. The channel tunnel is 50k long, they can wait in there.