Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mrginge

i think we should all thank Ballard and gfplux for pointing out that there isn’t actually much benefit in the UK attempting to pursue a trade deal, since our potential customers now don’t give a toss and are modifying their supply chains so they won’t be buying anything from us in the future anyway.

Perhaps they don’t realise in their haste to big up the EU, they are actually recommending we need to look for other sources of income.

Ballard

mrginge wrote: »

i think we should all thank Ballard and gfplux for pointing out that there isn’t actually much benefit in the UK attempting to pursue a trade deal, since our potential customers now don’t give a toss and are modifying their supply chains so they won’t be buying anything from us in the future anyway.

Perhaps they don’t realise in their haste to big up the EU, they are actually recommending we need to look for other sources of income.

Tracey will undoubtedly thank you for your post but at no point have I said that we shouldn’t pursue a trade deal. What I’ve said is that the predictions by many Leavers prior to the vote was completely incorrect.

What you appear to be doing is deflecting from the argument.

I’m bored of this now. There’s little point continuing to debate with people who, as a whole, initially insisted that the EU have no bargaining power but now accuse them of being intransigent despite the fact that the two positions are completely at odds with each other.

Filo25

If Labour's apparent shift in position is correct then I think we end up remaining in the Customs Union, its just a case of how we get there politically.

BobQ

ukcarper wrote: »

To me even though I voted remain it is obvious that the people who voted leave though we would no longer be automatically subject to EU Laws and would have control over our own immigrantation policy.

I think they thought lots of different things. But while this may be true of the 20%? of people who were interested in the matter, most people just answered the question on the ballot paper. They may have thought Leave= Stop immigration or Leave= £350m a week for the NHS or a host of other things.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

You are just proving my point.

You don't have a point.

tracey3596 wrote: »

Well remainers tries so hard with the "r" word and that failed (as have all their anti-Brexit tactics but hey) so now we'll try again with using the "xenophobic" accusations.
Will some remainers never learn?

I've learnt that leavers won't accept what guides their decision making. The people who voted based on giving £350 million a week to OUR NHS are making a distinction based on us and people who are not us & what we deserve and what they deserve

"dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries."

Denying people from other countries access to the NHS is prejudice.

mrginge

Ballard wrote: »

Tracey will undoubtedly thank you for your post but at no point have I said that we shouldn’t pursue a trade deal. What I’ve said is that the predictions by many Leavers prior to the vote was completely incorrect.

Oh well have a big lolly and a pat on the head for being so clever.

Now, on the basis of your cleverness and based on gfplux’s assertion that EU companies ( eg German carmakers) are already moving away from uk suppliers -
What is the point of negotiating a trade deal with countries that aren’t going to spend any (or a declining amount of) money with us?

What you appear to be doing is deflecting from the argument.

No deflection, just challenging the logic you and others have constructed.

I’m bored of this now. There’s little point continuing to debate with people who, as a whole, initially insisted that the EU have no bargaining power but now accuse them of being intransigent despite the fact that the two positions are completely at odds with each other.

It’s funny when people have a strop about posters attributing certain meaning to their posts and then proceed to do exactly that to others.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

You don't have a point.

I do and you cant see it I think that says more about ups than me.

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

I!!!8217;m bored of this now. There!!!8217;s little point continuing to debate

Debating is about having an open rather than closed mind. Moving ones position to that of a compromise. Rather than simply switching off because ones own viewpoint isn't accepted.

despite the fact that the two positions are completely at odds with each other.

Those driven by political zeal will obviously think so. Ultimately people and those in business care little for politics. Prefering to focus on the impact on their families, their employees and their communities. As everybody at a local level is inter dependent. They'll be here long after the current actors vacate the stage.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

I do and you cant see it I think that says more about ups than me.

Or maybe it says you inflate your opinion of whatever point you thought you were able to make?

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Those driven by political zeal will obviously think so. Ultimately people and those in business care little for politics. Prefering to focus on the impact on their families, their employees and their communities. As everybody at a local level is inter dependent. They'll be here long after the current actors vacate the stage.

And yet they were conned into voting for something that will be to their detriment for many years to come, to the point that they are now angry that they won't get what they were conned into. It's more than Turkeys voting for xmas, they are now angry that it's taking so long.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Denying people from other countries access to the NHS is prejudice.

Good luck trying to sell that concept. As is totally daft from whatever side of the fence you sit. For a variety of reasons that you obviously haven't thought through.