Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

BobQ wrote: »

Does anyone else see this displayed in the original message as



I keep seeing messages with a !!!8217;t corruption.

Me too. Sometimes afte an edit. Some fault at MSE

Enterprise_1701C

phillw wrote: »

Denying people from other countries access to the NHS is prejudice.

How is that prejudice? It has always been stated that people that are not entitled to treatment under the nhs should pay. We are not denying them access to the services, we simply want them to pay as they would in their own countries.

gfplux

This paper was published by the EU a few days ago.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/mobility-future-relationship_21february2018_en.pdf

It!!!8217;s 39 pages but is a paper that considers MOBILITY after Brexit.

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

Tromking wrote: »

Saw that interview myself. You chose Frank Field's world view I chose Stella Creasy. Who best represents the future?

If you’re suggesting that Labour is now the party of the metropolitan middle class then Stella and her ilk are the future I suppose.
Frank Field did more then espouse a world view rooted in the past as you suggest, he rather inconveniently reminded metropolitan Labour that millions of traditional Labour supporters voted Leave and they may or may not be happy with Corbyn’s speeech in Coventry today.
That’s the gamble Moby.

gfplux

I understand that the EU will publish this Wednesday the legal document on citizens rights as agreed between Britain and the EU at the end of phase one talks.

The EU are just getting on with the job giving Britain a breather from the hard work.

gfplux

I have just seen this on the same subject from Politico

THE NEXT BIG FIGHT: Brexit negotiations resume between U.K. and EU officials today on the thorny issue of the transition period. But a far bigger story will be the publication on Wednesday of the draft legal text of the withdrawal agreement thrashed out by the two sides before Christmas. And in the FT this morning, Alex Barker reports a fresh clash is looming over the as-yet unresolved Irish border issue. He cites three officials who say the draft text does not include a key stipulation from Britain that there can be no new regulatory system between the British mainland and Northern Ireland. One diplomat tells Barker the entire draft agreement is basically !!!8220;a long way of describing a border along the Irish Sea.!!!8221; Expect this to explode.

buglawton

Headlines this morning - Labour party embraces idea of staying in Customs Union (= FOM)

This looks like the volte-face I was anticipating in the MSE Corbynimics thread last September.

I expect Labour to do one of the biggest U-turns on Brexit ever imagined were they to gain power. # 4979

ukcarper

Tromking wrote: »

Moby wrote: »

If you’re suggesting that Labour is now the party of the metropolitan middle class then Stella and her ilk are the future I suppose.
Frank Field did more then espouse a world view rooted in the past as you suggest, he rather inconveniently reminded metropolitan Labour that millions of traditional Labour supporters voted Leave and they may or may not be happy with Corbyn’s speeech in Coventry today.
That’s the gamble Moby.

I think that is the problem with Labour Party now they are to detached from their original supporters. It will have to been seen how many will desert them if it becomes clear they are going to try and water down brexit. But 35% of Labour voters voted to leave and looking at make up of leave vote that percentage is higher in traditional Labour constituencies.

tracey3596

Ballard wrote: »

Tracey will undoubtedly thank you for your post but at no point have I said that we shouldn!!!8217;t pursue a trade deal. What I!!!8217;ve said is that the predictions by many Leavers prior to the vote was completely incorrect.

What you appear to be doing is deflecting from the argument.

I!!!8217;m bored of this now. There!!!8217;s little point continuing to debate with people who, as a whole, initially insisted that the EU have no bargaining power but now accuse them of being intransigent despite the fact that the two positions are completely at odds with each other.

I have.
Mostly because you absolutely ignored my previous post that Brexit has not yet been concluded and also because you ignore the fact that the UK voted to leave the EU.

At no point did mrginge say what you said he did; try reading it again maybe.
What was actually said was:

mrginge wrote: »

i think we should all thank Ballard and gfplux for pointing out that there isn't actually much benefit in the UK attempting to pursue a trade deal, since our potential customers now don't give a toss and are modifying their supply chains so they won't be buying anything from us in the future anyway.

Perhaps they don!!!8217;t realise in their haste to big up the EU, they are actually recommending we need to look for other sources of income.

From the persistent "you can't"'s from remainers it is obvious just where the intransigence and distraction lies.
With the EU and Europhiles desperate to clink to the shirt-tails of what they think is a safe option.
Typical remainer tactic:

mrginge wrote: »

It's funny when people have a strop about posters attributing certain meaning to their posts and then proceed to do exactly that to others.

cogito

Theophile wrote: »

Health tourism represents around 0.3% of NHS spending.
Listening to you lot, it feels more like 30%. :rotfl:

Did you read what phiilw wrote? He appeared to be advocating that UK taxpayers should be willing to pay for all the world to come here for treatment.