Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

Its difficult to say what could be achieved and what effect that will have on traditional Labour voters. Although in theory the numbers might be there for MPs to vote in favour of a customs union I think when push comes to shove not enough Torys with vote against government.

It really depends if May can actually come up with something agreeable to both wings of her party and the EU, if she can then that will be the eventual solution, in reality we look no closer to achieving that than we did when she took power, in my opinion at least.

I would say Customs Union is now the obvious fallback if the government can't agree anything over the next 2-3 months. the ERG are destroying May here, putting out demands they know full well aren't likely to be accepted by the EU and realistically falling back to WTO terms isn't getting through parliament, no matter how much Brexit evangelicals bang on about betrayal.

Theophile

tracey3596 wrote: »

Is all this cutting and pasting not contravening MSE's guidance on copyright infringement gfplux?

You realise you followed up this statement by a cut and paste of your own, don't you? :rotfl:

Lornapink

Ballard wrote: »

To the best of my knowledge no such lobbying has occurred. Again, to the best of my knowledge, the aforementioned German manufacturers have declared that they aren!!!8217;t interested in pushing for such a trade.

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British and German firms unite to call for business-friendly Brexit talks
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/aug/28/british-and-german-firms-unite-to-call-for-business-friendly-brexit-talks?CMP=twt_gu


TWEET - Deloitte Germany - 'hit to German carmakers from a !!!8220;no-deal!!!8221;, will be traumatic'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/06/22/europe-waking-impact-hard-brexit/


"We shouldn't forget that 750,000 jobs in Germany depend on the trade with the United Kingdom",
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39522265

ukcarper

Filo25 wrote: »

It really depends if May can actually come up with something agreeable to both wings of her party and the EU, if she can then that will be the eventual solution, in reality we look no closer to achieving that than we did when she took power, in my opinion at least.

I would say Customs Union is now the obvious fallback if the government can't agree anything over the next 2-3 months. the ERG are destroying May here, putting out demands they know full well aren't likely to be accepted by the EU and realistically falling back to WTO terms isn't getting through parliament, no matter how much Brexit evangelicals bang on about betrayal.

I would say that is far from obvious, also listening to Labour today I dont see the EU agreeing to a customs union in the form Labour wants.

Lornapink

ilovehouses wrote: »

I don't see any nastiness in pointing out that predictions of a mass lobby by European companies to ensure the UK gets a sweet deal have, so far, failed to materialise.
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Lets follow your logic.
1) No deal, no UK divorce fee paid.

2) Given EU members already arguing about who's going to make-up the lost UK annual EU membership fee, imagine how much worse it will be for them without much of our divorce fee.

3) No deal, means lost trade, lost jobs and LOST TAX RECIEPTS, so now those same EU nations worried bout points 1 + 2 also face lost national income

Exactly how will European business have benefited from all this?

Enterprise_1701C

gfplux wrote: »

Although Gibralter is a different matter.

From Bloomberg’s Brexit briefing.

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Spain is demanding joint management of Gibraltar’s airport and greater cooperation on tax fraud and smuggling after Brexit, the Financial Times reports. Spain has a veto over the Brexit deal as it applies to Gibraltar, so its demands could derail the wider EU-U.K. agreement. In good news for the U.K. however, Spain says now is not the time to try to win sovereignty of the rocky outcrop that was ceded to Britain in 1713.
END QUOTE

There's two words they often forget about. Gibralter was ceded to Britain IN PERPETUITY.

Rough_Justice

Ballard wrote: »

Just ignore the fact that your post that we have yet to leave the EU made no sense in relation to my post. That’d be your best bet.

In fairness you have ignored the original question from that poster of how you can conclude something that has not yet been concluded?
An answer to that would perhaps be better than your continued and IMHO unnecessary condescension.

Lornapink

Italy not looking good for the EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kte93reSXtI

Rough_Justice

Theophile wrote: »

You realise you followed up this statement by a cut and paste of your own, don't you? :rotfl:

Where are the reams in THAT post that might be copyright infringement?
:whistle:
You're just trying to provoke disagreement, aren't you; now have you any worthwhile contribution to make to this thread?

Rough_Justice

ilovehouses wrote: »

I also can't see what is offensive about people having an opinion on what might happen in the future. Didn't we all vote based on our own personal prediction that leaving or staying would turn out better? I didn't see many people tossing coins to help them decide.

Where does Tracey say it's offensive?
Point it out - you even quote the post and I don't see where she says that.

What I do see is nastiness in the post she refers to.
Like in so many of remainer replies TBH.
It amounts to little more than attempted bullying and should have no place in this thread or in the forum.