Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Have they really?
Maybe you could show us an official offering from the EU?
"Official", not heresay from one Eurocrat which is otherwise unverified.

I can not link to the graphic issued by Barnier months ago. I am shocked you have not seen the step chart. This was a long time ago at the early stages of the negotiations.
That’s a pity.

Moby

tracey3596 wrote: »

Meh.
The number of labour dissenters will more than make up for those Tory rebels too and in the end the government will win by 20 or 25 votes.
IMHO of course.

As for the Irish border issue, both you and our media keep ignoring what has already been seen as a promising solution from EU-commissioned research.
Maybe because it is seen as giving the UK an advantage.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/24/smart-borders-brexit-will-give-britain-extra-advantage-eu-commissioned/

What do you mean meh....
I'm afraid your rather extreme position is quite rightly unacceptable to the EU. We now need to compromise to damage the effects of brexit on our economy and on the Good Friday agreement. Pipe dreams will not wash. Tusk said that only yesterday. Not interested in your report.
If May does have the numbers to win because of the Labour rebels we will have a hard brexit with all the consequences. I don't want that, neither do many others and accepting a Customs Union is a compromise in a vote that after all was 52% to 48%. You'll have your brexit but it'll will be watered down hopefully not with chlorinated chicken to minimise the damage!

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

Like the Tories it!!!8217;s about time thy stopped waffling and said what thier plans are, they keep saying a custom union but not the custom union. So what is that custom union and what are they prepared to give for it.

What it means is we will have tariff free access to and from the EU markets, similar to Turkey's deal. It will apply to some areas of trade and not others, (basically whatever we can negotiate). This is crucial for job security and the Good Friday agreement and it seems the EU will accept this.

gfplux

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Lots of others.

Have a look at this and note that on a global happiness index the UK is in #34.
Where is Luxembourg in this index do I hear you ask?
#139 out of 140 countries, 2nd from the bottom!
http://happyplanetindex.org/countries/united-kingdom
http://happyplanetindex.org/countries/luxembourg



It looks like the UK population is generally pretty happy with its lot, gfplux.
Although as thrugelmir says, you might not realize this with your being abroad.
Don't pay so much heed to the extremists (on both sides) in these forums.

France #44; Germany #49; Italy #60 if you're interested. For balance Spain was #15 - but neighbour Portugal #79.


The ONS seems to agree that in the first year since Brexit was announced the UK officially became happier too in their June 2017 wellbeing statistical bulletin.
:T

Who mentioned scraping the bottom of the barrel. Happy Planet Index hah hah ha ha.
Not worthy of a rebuttal or educating of the facts.
Just Ha ha ha ha.

gfplux

buglawton wrote: »

Absolutely anything in the UK may be affected badly - or for the better. It’ll depend on the quality of our political leaders to get the best out of it.

And the quality of Britains leaders after a year of negotiations?

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/BRITAIN-EU/01006039065/brexit.jpg

Thank you Herzlos. Perhaps rough justice has not seen this graphic issued by Barnier months ago. He must be the only person who has not seen it of all citizens in the EU28 interested in Brexit.

gfplux

Rough_Justice wrote: »

If we're going to carry on along these lines you realise it will be quire a long list and with by far the majority of derision being on the part of the EU?

How about Juncker's "Pfft" reply to being asked about Theresa May?
http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/22/european-commission-president-lets-off-massive-mouth-fart-when-asked-about-theresa-may-6208662/
An example there of what the European Commission President considers to be a measured and considered response.
:rotfl:

Not we, you

mrginge

Moby wrote: »

What it means is we will have tariff free access to and from the EU markets, similar to Turkey's deal. It will apply to some areas of trade and not others, (basically whatever we can negotiate). This is crucial for job security and the Good Friday agreement and it seems the EU will accept this.

Has it really taken you this long to come up with a plan that was written off almost 18 months ago?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/turkey-is-no-model-for-britains-post-brexit-trade-policy/

Yes, Turkey has around 20 free-trade agreements, but they are ultimately a one-way street that can put Turkish firms at a competitive disadvantage. Turkey has to open its markets to any country the EU strikes an agreement with. But it doesn’t get any say over how that agreement is formed and doesn’t even get the same immediate duty-free access to that country’s market that EU members do.

In theory, Turkey could conclude its own trade agreements for sectors that are not covered by its customs union with the EU, such as agriculture. But in practice, this is so complicated that Turkey has not reached an agreement of significance with any country outside the EU’s current network of trade deals.

In addition, Turkey has to go along with the EU’s position in the World Trade Organisation, despite the fact that its priorities for global trade may differ substantially. There are growing calls within Turkey to revisit the customs union.

If the UK were to go down this road, it would be deprived of a fully independent voice when dealing with other trade partners and at the WTO, where Britain’s first objective should be to shape the future of global trade policy in favour of freer trade, since this is where the long-term economic opportunities from Brexit lie.

Some have suggested Britain adopts the customs union approach to cover only certain sectors, such as the automotive industry. This might be a temporary, transitional option but risks overcomplicating a simple fact. There were valid arguments for remaining in the EU in order to exert influence over its policies, including on trade. But UK membership of a customs union without political control of the rules or its external trade policy would be the worst of both worlds. The sooner the Government is clear about this the better.

gfplux

buglawton wrote: »

Or could it be that in that kingdom of tax avoidance Luxembourg, incomes are simply too high?
As it!!!8217;s been !!!8216;scientifically!!!8217; proven elsewhere that once income goes above a certain level (eg £50,000 pa) happiness declines.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/sep/06/earnings-pay-happiness-research

It is those foreigners again.
Even funnier. Thank you.

Moby

Merkel and Macron are on the world stage negotiating with Putin over Syria. In contrast we are fighting like rats in a sack over Brexit. How far have we fallen in international significance!