Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

It could but like everything we don’t know and if the will is there it’s possible

Part of that will would undoubtedly be the will to compromise on some of our other redlines, in order to achieve a services deal, I haven't seen much sign of that to date.

Over a year and half on from the vote, we still seem to enjoy talking optimistically about what we want while setting significant barriers on what we are willing to give up in talks.

Maybe I'm being unfair and Theresa May will surprise everyone with her speech this week, equally maybe this is all for public consumption and the government finally has a REALISTIC idea of some achievable targets where it might be able to squeeze some small concessions from the EU to diverge slightly from one of the standard EU trade models, but I haven't seen much public sign of it yet.

ukcarper

Filo25 wrote: »

Part of that will would undoubtedly be the will to compromise on some of our other redlines, in order to achieve a services deal, I haven't seen much sign of that to date.

Over a year and half on from the vote, we still seem to enjoy talking optimistically about what we want while setting significant barriers on what we are willing to give up in talks.

Maybe I'm being unfair and Theresa May will surprise everyone with her speech this week, equally maybe this is all for public consumption and the government finally has a REALISTIC idea of some achievable targets where it might be able to squeeze some small concessions from the EU to diverge slightly from one of the standard EU trade models, but I haven't seen much public sign of it yet.

I believe that the referendum vote set some red lines that shouldn’t be crossed. What red lines do you think we should abandon?

Moby

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-tory-rebel-amendments-keir-starmer-thresa-may-bill-eu-latest-a8227386.html

Labour is getting its act together:-

Sir Keir Starmer told the BBCs The Andrew Marr Show the shadow cabinet had unanimous support for the new policy, which Jeremy Corbyn will flesh out in a speech in Coventry on Monday.

Surely this will sort the Irish border question as well and protect the Good Friday agreement.

tracey3596

Moby wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-tory-rebel-amendments-keir-starmer-thresa-may-bill-eu-latest-a8227386.html

Labour is getting its act together:-



Surely this will sort the Irish border question as well and protect the Good Friday agreement.

Meh.
The number of labour dissenters will more than make up for those Tory rebels too and in the end the government will win by 20 or 25 votes.
IMHO of course.

As for the Irish border issue, both you and our media keep ignoring what has already been seen as a promising solution from EU-commissioned research.
Maybe because it is seen as giving the UK an advantage.

A new generation of "smart" borders after Brexit will modernise Britain's trade and give the country an "extra advantage" on the world stage, a European Union-commissioned expert has said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/24/smart-borders-brexit-will-give-britain-extra-advantage-eu-commissioned/

If you don't have access the report is here for you to read yourself:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596828/IPOL_STU(2017)596828_EN.pdf

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-tory-rebel-amendments-keir-starmer-thresa-may-bill-eu-latest-a8227386.html

Labour is getting its act together:-



Surely this will sort the Irish border question as well and protect the Good Friday agreement.

Like the Tories it’s about time thy stopped waffling and said what thier plans are, they keep saying a custom union but not the custom union. So what is that custom union and what are they prepared to give for it.

Filo25

ukcarper wrote: »

I believe that the referendum vote set some red lines that shouldn’t be crossed. What red lines do you think we should abandon?

I think the whole thing is a nonsense so not really the right person to ask!

I just think that if not being in the Single market or Customs Union are red lines for us then may be we should start getting a bit more realistic about what our demands with respect to the trade agreement are, rather than Canada +++, more like Canada slightly tweaked with give and take on both sides.

Certainly the supposed redlines on Single Market and the Customs Union weren't quite so apparent during the referendum when so many Leave politicians talked glowingly about Norway and Switzerland.

tracey3596

ukcarper wrote: »

Like the Tories it’s about time thy stopped waffling and said what thier plans are, they keep saying a custom union but not the custom union. So what is that custom union and what are they prepared to give for it.

Judging by the recent past with Labour it will be whatever Corbyn's advisers tell him will earn them the most votes.

tracey3596

Theresa May and David Lidington saying what so many Brexiters have long been saying:

"So I concluded the meeting by reminding the committee that the decisions we make now will shape this country for a generation.
"If we get them right, Brexit will be the beginning of a bright new chapter in our national story, and our best days really do lie ahead of us."

Mr Lidington said: "We could choose to leave as a country split and an economy disjointed, struggling to make our way in a new world outside the EU.
"Or we can come together as one United Kingdom, confidently seizing new global opportunities as we build a prosperous, secure nation fit for the future challenges we will face."

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-the-uks-best-days-lie-ahead-of-us-11266711

ukcarper

Filo25 wrote: »

I think the whole thing is a nonsense so not really the right person to ask!

I just think that if not being in the Single market or Customs Union are red lines for us then may be we should start getting a bit more realistic about what our demands with respect to the trade agreement are, rather than Canada +++, more like Canada slightly tweaked with give and take on both sides.

Certainly the supposed redlines on Single Market and the Customs Union weren't quite so apparent during the referendum when so many Leave politicians talked glowingly about Norway and Switzerland.

People were told we would leave customs union and free market if we vote leave. Most of remainers still arguing, are in fact going over the arguments used in referendum which people have already voted on. If a customs union or free trade area means FOM and accepting EU laws I dont see how government can agree those without betraying the result of referendum.

buglawton

Correct, and while the government is stuck at this ‘in denial’ stage by not simply admitting the direct link between FOM and customs union, and then taking the only honest route, they’re wasting time.