Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

Politico, well known for being anti Brexit have this to say regarding today!!!8217;s BIG Brexit speeches.

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BREXITEER BLITZ: The Cabinet!!!8217;s four buccaneering Brexiteers/Horsemen of the Apocalypse go riding into battle today with speeches across the U.K. and beyond. David Davis is in Austria to make his big !!!8220;Road to Brexit!!!8221; speech, in which he will commit Britain to !!!8220;a race to the top!!!8221; in global standards. Michael Gove is in Birmingham for the National Farmers!!!8217; Union annual conference, where he will make new pledges on farming and animal welfare after Brexit. Liam Fox addresses the EEF manufacturers!!!8217; conference at the QEII center in Westminster, where he will promise to fight any new barriers to trade with Europe. And with recess over, Boris Johnson will be in the House of Commons for Foreign Office questions followed by the second reading of the Sanctions Bill, which will give Britain the power to impose its own sanctions regimes after Brexit.

Timings:

!!!8212; David Davis addresses business leaders in Vienna at 9.45 a.m. U.K. time !!!8212; to be carried live on the news channels.

!!!8212; Michael Gove addresses the NFU at 10.45 a.m. !!!8212; livestream here.

!!!8212; Liam Fox speaks at the EEF conference at 11.55 a.m.
!!!8212; Boris Johnson takes questions in the House of Commons from 2.30 p.m. !!!8212; livestream here.
END QUOTE.

Matt_L

gfplux wrote: »

On topic.
The areas that will be damaged by Brexit.
I have updated the list with the only post about this subject

Germanys car Industry
Dutch flower growers
Rotterdam Port
Dover already damaged by large numbers of non EU immigrants landing and not moving on. Will be further damaged after Brexit.
Calais already damaged due to large number of non EU immigrants congregating in attempting to gain entry to the UK. Will be further damaged after Brexit
French wine makers
Holyhead Port
People/businesses close to the N Ireland/ROI Border
ROI
Japanese car makers in Britain
British Farmers during the withdrawal of £3 billion a year subsidies.
London Financial business.

There must be many more?

Even if i was to accept your list above, (which i don't) then you must agree that all of this can easily be avoided by the other 27 countries accepting a mutually beneficial agreement post brexit with the UK.

Yes, i keep hearing we can't cherry pick or take all the best best bits but im really confused by this and maybe it can be better explained to me.. What are the good parts that we are being accused of cherry picking? What are the less desirable parts that we don't want? I ask because its my understanding that FOM and the ECJ for example are the very good parts that the EU are extremely proud of..

Enterprise_1701C

gfplux wrote: »

On topic.
The areas that will be damaged by Brexit.
I have updated the list with the only post about this subject

Germanys car Industry
Dutch flower growers
Rotterdam Port
Dover already damaged by large numbers of non EU immigrants landing and not moving on. Will be further damaged after Brexit.
Calais already damaged due to large number of non EU immigrants congregating in attempting to gain entry to the UK. Will be further damaged after Brexit
French wine makers
Holyhead Port
People/businesses close to the N Ireland/ROI Border
ROI
Japanese car makers in Britain
British Farmers during the withdrawal of £3 billion a year subsidies.
London Financial business.

There must be many more?

Reference Dover and Calais, this can be solved by having the eu actually do something about it. Tighten the borders around the schengen area (bad idea if ever I heard one, people were always going to take advantage of it, especially as it doesn't just apply to Schengen residents).

The eu are the ones that allowed the people in, they should not expect us to take in people we simply do not have room for.

As for the boat people, yes, continue picking them up, but take them back to Turkey rather than taking them to Italy or Greece, and publicise that that is what will happen in future. Instead of an eu army create an eu coastguard, patrol the waters, take seaworthy boats into tow and take them back to Turkey. There is a refugee camp there, they are away from the war and the UK is helping within the camp. The vast majority seem to be fit and able young men so they can help their people rather than run away, that is assuming they are refugees rather than the economic migrants that seem to be jumping on the bandwagon. Do this for long enough and it will stop.

And if Merkel is so desperate for a massive population increase she can have them, all of them, don't expect other countries to join in though. If you invite people to a party you do not expect your next door neighbours to take the overflow.

cogito

Matt_L wrote: »

Even if i was to accept your list above, (which i don't) then you must agree that all of this can easily be avoided by the other 27 countries accepting a mutually beneficial agreement post brexit with the UK.

Yes, i keep hearing we can't cherry pick or take all the best best bits but im really confused by this and maybe it can be better explained to me.. What are the good parts that we are being accused of cherry picking? What are the less desirable parts that we don't want? I ask because its my understanding that FOM and the ECJ for example are the very good parts that the EU are extremely proud of..

The EU say that we can't cherry pick but then we hear the likes of Verhofstadt cherry picking by saying that they expect us to continue providing their security and Barnier saying that we must pay to buy their goods but no deal for our services. Typical EU hypocrisy.

Herzlos

gfplux wrote: »

On topic.
The areas that will be damaged by Brexit.
I have updated the list with the only post about this subject

...

There must be many more?

British Haulage industry
Any British manufacturing using EU components
Any British company with EU customers
Anyone who eats food.

tracey3596

Some of us have been saying all along that - to the EU, certainly - it's all about how much money they can wring out of the UK as a result of Brexit.
It seems that the government agrees.
:T
"UK to EU: Play fair or we won’t pay our bill"

“It’s becoming evident that many EU member states understand the mutual benefit of us achieving a comprehensive free-trade agreement and so [a deal is] very likely,” one official said. “However, an unwillingness to pursue that course of action will mean the U.K. is forced to withhold its financial contributions as agreed in Phase 1 — because nothing is agreed till everything is agreed.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-theresa-may-uk-to-eu-play-fair-or-we-wont-pay-our-bill/

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

Who in government were those quotes attributed to?

It seems a little naive to break out the happy clappy smilie at the prospect of negotiations going so badly that the UK walks away and reneges on agreements made in earlier parts of the negotiations.

It would obviously imply no trade agreement and a disorderly exit.

I read it differently.

Surely asking a poster here "Who in government were those quotes attributed to?" when the article was clearly published in Politico and the author named is pointless; you should surely ask the author or Politico?
If you could let us know how you get on I for one would be interested in their response.

The "happy clappy smilie" IMHO isn't at the prospect of negotiations going badly; I'm sure very few people want that.
No, it's there because of something which I suspect you really don't like: the UK retaining a trump card. And there's more than one of those in the UK arsenal BTW as has been pointed out before in this thread.
Whether or not any are used is another matter, of course. After all, there remains a whole year (or very slightly more) before a conclusion must be reached and I'm sure we can all agree that we will see much more disagreement in negotiations before that day arrives.

Lornapink

cogito wrote: »

The EU say that we can't cherry pick but then we hear the likes of Verhofstadt cherry picking by saying that they expect us to continue providing their security and Barnier saying that we must pay to buy their goods but no deal for our services. Typical EU hypocrisy.

Should we allow them access to our world beating MI5 & MI6? How much shall we charge for this access?
Remainers endlessly only see things from an EU view point, ergo whether they should allow us access to their markets.

Should we allow the EU to access our £40bn?
Brexit is very much a 2-way deal, and in no sense does the EU hold the whip hand

Herzlos

What trump cards do we have?

How good would our MI5 and MI6 be without EU intelligence?

Lornapink

gfplux wrote: »

On topic.
The areas that will be damaged by Brexit.
I have updated the list with the only post about this subject

Germanys car Industry
Dutch flower growers
Rotterdam Port
Dover already damaged by large numbers of non EU immigrants landing and not moving on. Will be further damaged after Brexit.
Calais already damaged due to large number of non EU immigrants congregating in attempting to gain entry to the UK. Will be further damaged after Brexit
French wine makers
Holyhead Port
People/businesses close to the N Ireland/ROI Border
ROI
Japanese car makers in Britain
British Farmers during the withdrawal of £3 billion a year subsidies.
London Financial business.

There must be many more?

The following all export significantly to the UK & thus if the EU chooses to slow that trade these nations will suffer in terms of jobs, tax receipts and being able to fund the EU;

Spain
Italy
Holland
Belgium
Ireland
Germany
Sweden

Additionally, if the UK as a result of bad deal suffers economically this harms all of the above as we will buy less.

It would also harm the likes of Portugal as we'd have less to spend on holidays and propping up touristic real estate markets.

It's been obvious from the beginning that a very good trade deal will be delivered.