Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

ilovehouses wrote: »

Anyone that can find two sentences on the internet to support a view must really be on top of the debate.

You just can't argue with that level of research.

Have you read the previous posts?

You must surely mean that anyone that cannot distinguish between "controversial" and "democratic" isn't really "on top of the debate".

tracey3596

ilovehouses wrote: »

Have you read the article?

It doesn't say Juncker's appointment wasn't very democratic let alone explaining it quite nicely.

Are you not reading past posts before commenting?
This is explained already; also in my OP it (the link) very clearly says it is "controversial".
It also explains the system. Amongst other things, BTW.
I suspect that the reality is that you just don't like it being shown in this thread.

tracey3596

ilovehouses wrote: »

In your post quoted you said the article 'quite nicely' explained why Juncker's appointment wasn't very democratic. I didn't see a mention of this. Nor have I seen where it's been discussed in past posts.

I'm just trying to tease out what is the point you're trying to make. I'd assumed it was something to do with Junker's undemocratic appointment as that was you chose to comment upon. Apparently not.

:wall:
Now I suspect you are just trying to lead me into falling foul of the forum's copyright guidelines.


Yes it does and very clearly, as well as explaining why.
From the OP read from the bit where it says that many national leaders are in fact against the system. It goes on to very clearly explain why.

The point made was that as expressed in the post..
Would you like it repeating?

tracey3596 wrote: »

Here's the starter for another hundred pointless remainer non-replies.

A view of EU divisions as seen by Saudis.

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/article/528642/World/Europe/Seeking-post-Brexit-unity-EU-leaders-face-more-fights

It explains quite nicely just why Juncker's appointment as President isn't very democratic too.

You should note that the "Juncker" comment was an accompaniment; an adjunct.
The main point is that the link is a viewpoint in Saudi.

Others too will I'm sure now note that the very first sentence in my OP was both prophetic and correct.

Tromking

ilovehouses wrote: »

Immigration was first and last for people's reason to vote brexit. If anyone's resolve to vote brexit was strengthened because Cameron didn't get his own way it was in the margins.

It might look prophetic but it isn't. To suggest it could be the reason leave won assumes more than half a million people who would've voted remain decided to vote leave because poor David was 'humiliated'. Unlikely.

I did admit to only being part motivated to vote leave due to incidents like these.
The U.K. Primeminister regularly being humiliated in Brussels must have had a resonance at home over the years, if only for the ‘visuals’ of the Eurocrats delighting in Cameron’s and his predecessors angst.
On domestic issues a Tory PM getting humiliated is to be welcomed, when he represents my nation abroad then I’m afraid it rankles even with people like me.
Cameron suggested that the appointment of a ‘non-reformer’ like Juncker might not go down to well with the British public, as things turned out I make him spot on. Boris reiterated that point in his speech the other day when he cited spitzenkandidate as an anathema to your average Brits idea of democracy.
We may indeed suffer as a result, but the U.K. is different to mainland Europe. Democracy based on pragmatism is not the British Way.

cogito

Tromking wrote: »

We may indeed suffer as a result, but the U.K. is different to mainland Europe. Democracy based on pragmatism is not the British Way.

Disagree. The UK is pragmatic but the EU is dogmatic. Always has been and always will be. That's why we never fell in with the EU and also why exit negotiations are proving difficult.

wunferall

Which remainers kept insisting that popularism was in decline in the EU or that the far right were in decline?
Well not in Germany they're not.

Germany's far-right, anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany (AfD) has surpassed the centre-left Social Democrats (SPD) for the first time in a national poll to become the second-strongest party, an Insa survey for mass-selling daily Bild showed.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-politics-poll/germanys-far-right-afd-overtakes-centre-left-spd-in-latest-poll-idUKKCN1G31M3?il=0
Yes, Merkel's party gained a little too but I'll lay odds on that being more to do with relief at the prospect of a coalition. Talking of which I'm sure this'll sway a few of the SPD coalition voters - and I don't mean in favour of the coalition.

Theophile

wunferall wrote: »

Yes, Merkel's party gained a little too

Did you read the article? Gained a little too?? Her party gained 2.5 times as much as AFD did. :rotfl:
Anyway, relevance to brexit, the economy and house prices part 5 is.....?

cogito

Theophile wrote: »

Did you read the article? Gained a little too?? Her party gained 2.5 times as much as AFD did. :rotfl:
Anyway, relevance to brexit, the economy and house prices part 5 is.....?

Wrong. Her party received 2.5 times as many votes as AfD. AfD did not exist at the previous election but received 13% of the vote. CDU declined from 40% to 32%. Some gain.

wunferall

Theophile wrote: »

Did you read the article? Gained a little too?? Her party gained 2.5 times as much as AFD did. :rotfl:
Anyway, relevance to brexit, the economy and house prices part 5 is.....?

*Yawn*
Did YOU read the POST?
It really doesn't look like you did.

In fact obviously not if you don't see the relevance if you really did read "Which remainers kept insisting that popularism was in decline in the EU or that the far right were in decline?"
Gaining 2.5% as the leading part to take it to 32& isn't so big; if you really think it is, compare that to the Tories vote share.

wunferall

cogito wrote: »

Wrong. Her party received 2.5 times as many votes as AfD. AfD did not exist at the previous election but received 13% of the vote. CDU declined from 40% to 32%. Some gain.

Spot on, but you're wasting your time methinks.
It looks like nothing more than an attempt to clog up the thread with bickering, and recent history goes along with that suggestion.

CDU now polling 32% and AfD at 16 but according to TheO that is 2.5 times the number gained?
Simple arithmetic is obviously not a strong point either.