Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

I do think that Brexit was at least due in part to divisions already present within the UK.

The talk about education and University level people is timely, because you can clearly see how affluent areas in the UK are associated with University presence. This leaves many areas struggling.

So, what's the answer being floated here?

It is : to suggest more division by proferring that educated people have the "right answers" and uneducated people are just easily misled.

Step back a minute, and think how that will be interpreted by exactly the type of people you need to get onside.

All you are doing is creating more division. We already have enough on racial; religious; income; and yes class; levels.

That's not a very intelligent approach, even if it might seem an educated one.

Herzlos

Very true. Nothing gets people's backs up like telling them they are wrong. It was probably why Leave won.

We should have focussed on addressing the root concerns.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

This time read the posts.
Again.
Thrugelmir says it all as I have already explained.

Maybe I'm chronically sleep deprived, but I still don't get the actual point there?

We already know that Eire is in the middle, going to get shafted and we should all be working harder to figure out how to get out of this mess?

So I can't figure of what new revelation I'm missing?

Enterprise_1701C

I am struggling to work out why they still need to have the 73 seats that the UK will no longer require. Surely they are simply to represent the UK and will therefore become unnecessary.

But of course this would shrink the size of the gravy train.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I am struggling to work out why they still need to have the 73 seats that the UK will no longer require. Surely they are simply to represent the UK and will therefore become unnecessary.

But of course this would shrink the size of the gravy train.

Yeah I'd assumed they'd just shrink the parliament rather than re-allocating.

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

Maybe I'm chronically sleep deprived, but I still don't get the actual point there?

We already know that Eire is in the middle, going to get shafted and we should all be working harder to figure out how to get out of this mess?

So I can't figure of what new revelation I'm missing?

You must be because nobody called it a revelation.
It's an Irish ex-ambassador confirming what many of us here in the UK already knew.

Rough_Justice

kabayiri wrote: »

I do think that Brexit was at least due in part to divisions already present within the UK.

The talk about education and University level people is timely, because you can clearly see how affluent areas in the UK are associated with University presence. This leaves many areas struggling.

So, what's the answer being floated here?

It is : to suggest more division by proferring that educated people have the "right answers" and uneducated people are just easily misled.

Step back a minute, and think how that will be interpreted by exactly the type of people you need to get onside.

All you are doing is creating more division. We already have enough on racial; religious; income; and yes class; levels.

That's not a very intelligent approach, even if it might seem an educated one.

I am in agreement with your first sentence but thereon in I beg to differ because
I don't see any new research as spreading division, but rather as an attempt at repairing the existing divisions.
One of which is (as we know) basically that Brexiters are old and ill-educated.

Healing the rift between elderly and young, well- and ill-educated by providing statistical evidence that voters were fairly evenly-split demographically will surely lessen division for that very reason, not increase it?
Therefore it strikes me as being an extremely intelligent approach.
Perhaps that is why it has been taken?

kabayiri

Rough_Justice wrote: »

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Healing the rift between elderly and young, well- and ill-educated by providing statistical evidence that voters were fairly evenly-split demographically will surely lessen division for that very reason, not increase it?
Therefore it strikes me as being an extremely intelligent approach.
Perhaps that is why it has been taken?

I guess I have a dim view of stats. What is it they say? Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Statisticians would have swimming banned, because more swimmers drown than non-swimmers.

I'd suggest what we all do is cherry pick the statistical evidence which supports our initial premise. You see in the starting point of any graph which is posted.

I'm suggesting that young/old/educated/not, there are real factors which sit beyond this that influence Brexit voting. I believed before the vote that local issues on the ground would steer people, and I see no reason to disbelieve that.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

You must be because nobody called it a revelation.
It's an Irish ex-ambassador confirming what many of us here in the UK already knew.

Ah. That's a total waste of electrons then?

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

I'm suggesting that young/old/educated/not, there are real factors which sit beyond this that influence Brexit voting. I believed before the vote that local issues on the ground would steer people, and I see no reason to disbelieve that.

In my lifetime met many people who have achieved a great deal without being "educated". Learning takes many forms. Life skills in particular. Where having an open mind is essential. As there's rarely right or wrong. Just a mass of grey in the middle.