Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

Theophile wrote: »

Saudis pointing out perceived democratic deficits in the EU.

Since the link contains quite a number of verifiable facts, perhaps you would be so kind as to point out what in the linked article you view as "perceived"?

Theophile

tracey3596 wrote: »

Since the link contains quite a number of verifiable facts, perhaps you would be so kind as to point out what in the linked article you view as "perceived"?

The 'Spitzenkandidat' system for example.

tracey3596

Theophile wrote: »

The 'Spitzenkandidat' system for example.

No.

That is fact, verifiable too.
Here's just one example.
https://www.politico.eu/article/jean-claude-juncker-commission-president-urges-eu-leaders-to-support-spitzenkandidat-process/

Do you want to try again or will you accept that your "perceived" comment is in fact wrong?

Theophile

tracey3596 wrote: »

No.

That is fact, verifiable too.
Here's just one example.
https://www.politico.eu/article/jean-claude-juncker-commission-president-urges-eu-leaders-to-support-spitzenkandidat-process/

Do you want to try again or will you accept that your "perceived" comment is in fact wrong?

No.

Spitzenkandidat system is democratic.
Look here.

Why the Spitzenkandidat process is the best thing to happen to EU-level representative democracy for years

https://jonworth.eu/why-the-spitzenkandidat-process-is-the-best-thing-to-happen-to-eu-level-representative-democracy-for-years/

tracey3596

Theophile wrote: »

No.

Spitzenkandidat system is democratic.
Look here.

https://jonworth.eu/why-the-spitzenkandidat-process-is-the-best-thing-to-happen-to-eu-level-representative-democracy-for-years/

How much googling did it take you to find that, Theo?
You who grumbles about Googling and obscure sources.

ALSO - my original doesn't say it is undemocratic, does it?
It says it is controversial, and it is as I have shown.

But no, it is not truly democratic.
(That is why so many want it changed which in itself should give you a clue.)
But I will take your one and raise you two.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-top-job-jean-claude-juncker-time-for-the-spitzenkandidat-to-die/

the current so-called Spitzenkandidat system makes the election of the medieval-era Holy Roman Emperor seem transparent and democratic. It needs to be reformed. Failure to do so would play into the hands of Euroskeptics everywhere.

https://euobserver.com/europe-in-review/126456

It is highly debatable to say that the spitzenkandidat made the EU elections more democratic - it is perhaps fairer to say that it opened the door to making them more so in the future.

Are you ready to accept you were wrong yet?

Theophile

tracey3596 wrote: »

How much googling did it take you to find that, Theo?
You who grumbles about Googling and obscure sources.

No, it is not truly democratic.
(That is why so many want it changed which in itself should give you a clue.)
But I will take your one and raise you two.
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-commission-top-job-jean-claude-juncker-time-for-the-spitzenkandidat-to-die/


https://euobserver.com/europe-in-review/126456


Are you ready to accept you were wrong yet?

Yes, I googled using the terms 'spitzenkandidat' and 'democratic' and hey presto I found an article stating the spitzenkandidat system is democratic.
Have we learned anything yet, tracey? :rotfl:

tracey3596

Theophile wrote: »

Yes, I googled using the terms 'spitzenkandidat' and 'democratic' and hey presto I found an article stating the spitzenkandidat system is democratic.
Have we learned anything yet, tracey? :rotfl:

Indeed we have Theo.
That you are wrong.
:T

... my original doesn't say it is undemocratic, does it?
It says it is controversial, and it is as I have shown.

Lornapink

59% middleclass voted Brexit.


'some 59% of the middle-class overall voted to quit the EU compared with 24% of the working class, said the report'.

ttps://business-reporter.co.uk/2017/03/21/think-tanks-reject-claims-brexit-vote-driven-white-working-classes/

Tromking

I wonder if Cameron hadnt been humiliated when Juncker was appointed against his wishes, if the U.K. would still be in the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/david-cameron-loses-jean-claude-juncker-vote-eu

Tromking

ilovehouses wrote: »

It was a beltway issue. It's hard to imagine anyone voting to leave the EU because David Cameron didn't get his own way.

I recall voting to leave in part because of situations like that. For Cameron not getting his way, read the U.K. being sidelined yet again. Did you read the article? Cameron’s prediction that the EU may regret Juncker’s appointment seems remarkably prophetic reading it now.