Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

Moby wrote: »

Also it would be helpful if you put up links that are not behind a paywall.

In order to avoid a lengthier reply above I saved this bit.

It would indeed if 1/ such were available; and 2/ such were not decried when supplied because of their source.
A discussion has been had on this, see earlier posts.

Of course registering and reading is free for the publications I provided links to for anyone genuinely interested enough in the content. You will be able to read the articles but other access may be restricted.

Herzlos

tracey3596 wrote: »

In order to avoid a lengthier reply above I saved this bit.

It would indeed if 1/ such were available; and 2/ such were not decried when supplied because of their source.
A discussion has been had on this, see earlier posts.

Of course registering and reading is free for the publications I provided links to for anyone genuinely interested enough in the content. You will be able to read the articles but other access may be restricted.

Do you have access behind the paywall?

Also; it's perfectly fair to review a source of evidence and rate it as garbage, which has been done here with a clear rationale why.

One of the few universal things you learn at university is that not all citations or evidence are any good, so some critical analysis is required.

Even ignoring the obvious bias of the group, despite containing 'remainers', you have to wonder why they have a different result to (as far as I can tell) every other work of research on the same data. For you to accept this group of experts is right, you're asserting that all of the others are wrong.

The only reason I can see (unless you've done critical research of them all) is that you're only agreeing with the one that says what you want to hear. Given the calibre of the rest of the evidence you post, it sounds like the most likely conclusion.

ukcarper

Its quite easy to show that older people were more likely to vote for Brexit and people with degrees were more likely to vote remain. What is also clear the older you are the less likely you are to have an degree this will obviously skew results. The only report that I can find that shows how each age group voted in relation to educations is the one posted by Arklight and I cant find original of that. Also Cant see how a 20 years old with no experience of working or paying thier own way vote has any more value that a 65 year old.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/NatCen_Brexplanations-report-FINAL-WEB2.pdf

This report shows only group where leave vote was lower than 50% were 18-34 and people with degree, I suspect no one really knows the ans because all reports are based on surveys not actual votes.

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you have access behind the paywall?

Also; it's perfectly fair to review a source of evidence and rate it as garbage, which has been done here with a clear rationale why.

One of the few universal things you learn at university is that not all citations or evidence are any good, so some critical analysis is required.

Even ignoring the obvious bias of the group, despite containing 'remainers', you have to wonder why they have a different result to (as far as I can tell) every other work of research on the same data. For you to accept this group of experts is right, you're asserting that all of the others are wrong.

The only reason I can see (unless you've done critical research of them all) is that you're only agreeing with the one that says what you want to hear. Given the calibre of the rest of the evidence you post, it sounds like the most likely conclusion.

You're wrong again.
On the positive side, you made me read enough of these posts to find that out.

First (by your paragraphs) whether or not somebody else has access to an article behind a firewall is irrelevant if you are the one interested in what it contains. As has been said, you could find out yourself. I looked. You would be disgruntled, I suspect.

Second; nope; playing the footballer rather than the ball is unacceptable. But then so many remainers do that, and so often too ............. when they have run out of reasoned argument.
Or are you accepting these academics are correct to do new research?

Third and as you will know if you have been to university, verifiable evidence is key; you cannot effectively criticise hearsay.

Fourth, that is surely the whole point; most of the reports relied upon the same data and as either it or the interpretation appears flawed there is a need for new research. It looks like you have had little experience with research since effectively we as a race would not be where we are today if your attitude had been prevalent. "No, the square wheel has been proved to work because our cart doesn't roll backwards down the hill" for example.

Fifth I read no evidence of the poster agreeing; you're just trying to be disagreeable yourself it would appear. Nobody here has said that all the previous studies were wrong either.
All that was said both then and since is that some well-educated and very senior academics disagree with the notion that some remainers insist upon using because it suits their preconceived bias.

As a result of the above and to use your own words, it looks like this is more deliberate deception on your part since "Given the calibre of the rest of the evidence you post, it sounds like the most likely conclusion.".

Rough_Justice

The headline says it all:
Ireland's 'big mistake is backing EU' in Brexit negotiations, says former Irish Ambassador
Or if that's not enough:

!!!8220;Ireland has more at stake than any other EU country - we should be working closely with Britain to achieve the best possible Brexit outcome,!!!8221; said Ray Bassett

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/17/irelands-big-mistake-backing-eu-brexit-negotiations-says-former/
If you really want to read more, register.

Having seen how remianers try and denounce every post which isn't pro-EU in number and by so doing push such posts way down the thread I await the inevitable with amusement.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

The headline says it all:
Ireland's 'big mistake is backing EU' in Brexit negotiations, says former Irish Ambassador
Or if that's not enough:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/17/irelands-big-mistake-backing-eu-brexit-negotiations-says-former/
If you really want to read more, register.

Having seen how remianers try and denounce every post which isn't pro-EU in number and by so doing push such posts way down the thread I await the inevitable with amusement.

Did you read beyond the line you posted?

I honestly don't see what else Ireland can do here. If they need to weaken relationships with one side it may as well be tiny Britain. Or do you think they should leave the EU too?

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

Did you read beyond the line you posted?

I honestly don't see what else Ireland can do here. If they need to weaken relationships with one side it may as well be tiny Britain. Or do you think they should leave the EU too?

Have you no comment other than those intended as facetious?

What think is by and large irrelevant compared to that of an ex-ambassador - or to you, for that matter.
Another example of "I don't like what you just posted" from you because you obviously ignored:

we should be working closely with Britain to achieve the best possible Brexit outcome,

Perhaps it's better this time being larger?

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I honestly don't see what else Ireland can do here. If they need to weaken relationships with one side it may as well be tiny Britain. Or do you think they should leave the EU too?

His comments are simply what everybody has been thinking.

"the EU was using Ireland to pressurise Britain, trying to extract a good financial settlement”.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Have you no comment other than those intended as facetious?

What think is by and large irrelevant compared to that of an ex-ambassador - or to you, for that matter.
Another example of "I don't like what you just posted" from you because you obviously ignored:

Perhaps it's better this time being larger?

You lot don't half get defensive when people ask if you read the thing your quoting.
I'm just not going to any effort to track down and pick apart your argument if you didn't even read it.

The line you quoted is painfully obvious. Of course we should be working closely; I though that's what the negotiations were.

So I still don't get your point. Why is this revelation a bad thing and what should Eire be doing?

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

You lot don't half get defensive when people ask if you read the thing your quoting.
I'm just not going to any effort to track down and pick apart your argument if you didn't even read it.

The line you quoted is painfully obvious. Of course we should be working closely; I though that's what the negotiations were.

So I still don't get your point. Why is this revelation a bad thing and what should Eire be doing?

"You lot"?
:rotfl:
At least "we" don't get abusive.
What has been read is irrelevant, as opposed to what I posted which is relevant and hence why I posted it.
Can you not understand the difference?
Judging from your misunderstanding (it is Ireland who should be working closely with Britain) I won't be surprised if you do not.
Read the post above by Thrugelmir to get an idea.