Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

wunferall

gfplux wrote: »

I am a regular CalaisDover by foreign car traveler.
I am not going to say I know or remember exactly the precise procedure both ways as it is such a simple regular routine.
However I am pretty sure that one way from Calais the UK border person shows my passport to a card reader the French wave me through. Leaving Britain both have often waved me through.
I have recent memory’s of showing three mixed EU passports pressed to the drivers window and being waved through.

I am not suggesting that security against terrorism is not 100% but certainly all the evidence points to the British Government not haveing at present systems in place that monitor closely the actual people by name and destination arriving and departing.
Much of that evidence comes from Government when they have not been clear about the numbers of foreigners living in the UK as well as the need during transition to put in place a proper registration system.

If this were not the case what is all this talk of taking back control of the borders.

You really should read the link I posted.
I'm amazed that so many appear ignorant as to how monitoring travel to and from the UK works so from my link:

we will collect information on passengers leaving the UK as we do for those entering.

Since 2004 the UK has moved to a more sophisticated approach to checks by starting to collect Advance Passenger Information (API) for both inbound and outbound air passengers. API includes the passenger’s full name, nationality, date of birth, gender and travel document number, type and country of issue.

We are already collecting more data than the old embarkation checks process ever did through API, which is provided for about 80 per cent of all journeys – including 95 per cent of flights. We have a better picture than ever before about who is leaving the country, but it does not cover all modes of transport. That is why the coalition government pledged to reintroduce exit checks for all scheduled commercial international air, sea and rail routes.

We introduced legislation, through the Immigration Act 2014, to give carriers and port operators the power to carry out embarkation checks – and to give the government the power to compel them to do so if necessary. We have been working closely with the air, maritime and international rail industries to ensure that exit checks are brought in with as little disruption to customers and to their businesses as possible.

Read the rest yourself because if I do it for you the forum powers-that-be might not like it.

No system is perfect, especially when you have people in the back of lorries or stowed away on boats.
The number of foreigners living in the UK is a different subject altogether as is registration, and there's plenty of reading material about that for an internet-savvy type like you.

Just as one example of ports doing their job though is this:

The increasing popularity of a Spanish migrant route has seen three times as many illegal immigrants caught at British port in the last year.

Figures show that officials have already detained 1,251 people trying to board ferries heading for Portsmouth, Hampshire, this year up until the start of September compared to 436 in the whole of 2016.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/24/new-spanish-migrant-route-sees-three-times-many-migrants-caught/
Again there's plenty more if you look.

As for border controls post-Brexit?
We'll have to wait and see but TBH the media are just doing their usual job of trying to sell their so-called news. If we believed all that they spout we would all be running around with tin foil helmets and screaming "The end of the world is nigh!".
:rotfl:

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

If they did know then why are the net migration figures just estimates?

Two different things.
I know I have Cornflakes in my cupboard.
I know what brand they are and when they were purchased (well just about ).
What I don't know is how many there are.

There's lots about how migration figures are calculated if you search the web but don't expect me to do that for you.

Herzlos

Theophile wrote: »

I thought this series of speeches was going to put meat on the bone?

It is, but it doesn't sound like they've decided on any of the basics yet, if May is now asking the Irish President how to fix the border issue.
The cabinet hasn't agreed on anything in 18 months, why would they have it solved all of a sudden?

Herzlos

wunferall wrote: »

Two different things.
I know I have Cornflakes in my cupboard.
I know what brand they are and when they were purchased (well just about ).
What I don't know is how many there are.

There's lots about how migration figures are calculated if you search the web but don't expect me to do that for you.

Are you implying that there's somehow not a 1:1 ratio between people and passports?

Theophile

Herzlos wrote: »

It is, but it doesn't sound like they've decided on any of the basics yet, if May is now asking the Irish President how to fix the border issue.
The cabinet hasn't agreed on anything in 18 months, why would they have it solved all of a sudden?

Maybe all will be clear after the Cabinet's "away day" at Chequers next week. Maybe.

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

Boris seems to think that I, as a remoaner, am spending my time trying to stop brexit. I'm not - I just think the government are handling it badly.

Case in point having to listen to his waffle nearly two years after the referendum to try and work out what the government are trying to do.

And yet there are so many posts from you on this thread alone, none of which are in the least bit approving of Brexit.
:whistle:

movilogo

Here is a chart showing relative of size of economies within EU.

Note UK economy is bigger than 18 smaller EU countries' economies combined!

So UK leaving EU will leave a massive hold there.



Image => https://imgur.com/a/VTnvV

Lornapink

The crux of the speech is in understanding who it is aimed at & the desired effect on them.


He said at outset he wont convince everyone (meaning hard line Remainers). From this we can deduce his speech is aimed at the floating voter, the busy person that doesn't have hardliner views.


His essential message to this constituency is;
Who's position is more reasonable? Mine, a means of getting us through Brexit with a fighting spirit or the ardent Remoaner demanding another divisive referendum that will truly tear the country in half & could result in the very same right wing tsunami sweeping Europe due to citizens feeling there is a democratic deficit.

Lornapink

movilogo wrote: »

Here is a chart showing relative of size of economies within EU.

Note UK economy is bigger than 18 smaller EU countries' economies combined!

So UK leaving EU will leave a massive hold there.



Image => https://imgur.com/a/VTnvV

It's so obvious a very good trade deal will be done.


The alternative is us leaving without paying £40bn divorce & going into war-like mode on the economy with massive tax cuts to ensure we thrive under WTO. This is the nightmare scenario the EU dreads - as it would incentivise other nations to leave, keeping in mind the huge anti EU resentment building all over, from Sweden to Finland, Germany to Austria, Poland to Czech Rep', Hungary to Italy.


If Brexit gets cancelled, 4 million former Kippers will be joined by millions of Brexiteer's from left and right and demand an independent England. The rise of the right is the prize that awaits the progressive elites.

Lornapink

Tromking wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43062112

The EU commission and Barnier put back in their box by the look of it. Perhaps the stories of some national governments not being happy with the negotiating style of Barnier had some truth in it.

It's long been my belief that the demands of national Gov'ts needing to keep their voters in jobs will always trump the priorities of the Eurocrats.
It's as plane as the nose on your face that in the end trade will not be harmed.