Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Arklight

ilovehouses wrote: »

Boris seems to think that I, as a remoaner, am spending my time trying to stop brexit. I'm not - I just think the government are handling it badly.

Case in point having to listen to his waffle nearly two years after the referendum to try and work out what the government are trying to do.

Boris is well aware that you as a remoaner aren’t trying to stop Brexit. There is in fact no campaign to halt Brexit and the only political party who want to, the Lib Dem’s, were ignored in the last election.

But Boris wasn’t speaking to you, was he? Boris was speaking to anxious Brexiteers, fearful that 'the will of the people' is being thwarted by a sinister cabal of foreigner loving liberals somewhere.

Get'em good and angry about an imaginary enemy and even less likely to use their brains so they vote for him without noting what an onerously awful man he is.

There are plenty of values to be admired about the British. Boris Johnson encapsulates none of them.

Rough_Justice

ilovehouses wrote: »

Germany still hasn't agreed a formal coalition and Italy has a high debt burden and the EU is going to collapse a week next Tuesday.

However, we've got a government holding on by a thread which had to harvest the money tree to buy support and still cannot agree on a unified approach to brexit. Three years after the date they promised we'd be deficit free we're still running at £70bn /year.

..and we're heading for the sunlit uplands.

Obviously we've got the right sort of political uncertainty and debt.

What carp.
As someone has written elsewhere in these forums (correctly too) it's brown underwear for Barnier, Juncker and cohort.
Germany and Italy - enough said already.
The Netherlands & their weak coalition plus ministers resigning over false claims.
Spain ......... do you really want to discuss that?
Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and EU infighting, threats and recriminations.
Austria suing the EU.
Bulgaria telling the EU they are splitting Europe.
EU infighting over the next budget from 2020.
EU at odds with NATO & the USA.
Etc. etc. etc.

But no, carry on imagining the EU as a land of milk and honey all the time ignoring that our deficit IS falling - or should we rather have increased the austerity measures to bring it down sooner?
You can't have it both ways and - had the UK not been doing as well as it currently is - this figure would be far higher.

https://fullfact.org/economy/government-getting-deficit-down/

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

Nothing has changed; they are just changing the words to sound less scary:



We'll still be sanctioned for breaking the rules.

:rotfl:
Will we?
You misunderstand I think.
Provided a final agreement is reached which includes that which the EU propose we will.

It's what the EU want.
NOT what they're going to get.

Theophile

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Ed Balls eh?
Would that be THIS Ed Balls?

Do you think he fiddled the figures and that the actual Harvard Kennedy School study shows that most British firms want the UK to leave the customs union? :rotfl:

tracey3596

Theophile wrote: »

Do you think he fiddled the figures and that the actual Harvard Kennedy School study shows that most British firms want the UK to leave the customs union? :rotfl:

You said it.
Given that only between 5% and 8% of UK businesses actually export to the EU according to Fullfact it's not an unreasonable assumption, since from those figure between 92% and 95% won't really care.

https://fullfact.org/europe/how-many-businesses-export-eu/

wunferall

The Annual Manufacturing Report 2018, published today by Hennik Research, says UK manufacturers are poised to take on the world, but are failing to pull the trigger on a bright future because of uncertainties surrounding the outcome of Brexit negotiations and the threatened shortage of skilled workers in the coming decade.

https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/annual-manufacturing-report-2018-uk-manufacturers-confident-but-brexit-deep-concern/
Have a read, it contains positive and not-so-positive.
In a nutshell though UK business is confident about the future even considering the effects of Brexit.

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

I think you're reading too much into this because you really want to believe the EU is on the verge of collapse.



Asking what I'd do about the deficit, pointing out it could be worse etc is just flannel. Political instability and large debts are either bad or they're not. It's you that wants it both ways. I'd prefer you were at least consistent rather than flip flopping around.

It's a brexiteer myth that anyone who thinks brexit is stupid must also think the EU is a land of milk and honey.

Just as it's a myth that pointing out current problems within the EU must mean that the EU is on the verge of collapse.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

:rotfl:
Will we?
You misunderstand I think.
Provided a final agreement is reached which includes that which the EU propose we will.

It's what the EU want.
NOT what they're going to get.

I suspect the EU will get what it wants.

wunferall

Moby wrote: »

So what exactly does he do well?

Upsets Lord Adonis? :T
Lord Adonis Has Picked A Fight With The BBC And He Is Losing Badly

Adonis, an ardent and vocal Remainer, appears to have been upset by the BBC’s extensive coverage of Boris Johnson’s big Brexit speech

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lord-adonis-bbc-gary-lineker_uk_5a847ad2e4b0058d55655a87?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

I suspect the EU will get what it wants.

I suspect that the EU will get what it deserves rather than what it wants.