Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

We've had decades of prosperity aided by fom.
Migrants definitely get abused.
We should be far more worried about automation than foreigners, though there are some things we can't automate.

We either automate or our competitors do and we lose the business.

No amount of migrant labour changes this.

Its remained who are living in the past.

Herzlos

The move to automation will be gradual, certainly more gradual than the drop off in casual labour.

But you're largely right; we need to be investing big in the future instead of trying to stay in the past. Hopefully Brexit will do that, who knows.

tracey3596

Theophile wrote: »

Skills shortages are a good thing now?

They are if you have a skill that there's a shortage of.

Theophile

Brexiteer gets angry after finding out Yorkshire Tea isn't actually grown in Yorkshire. :rotfl:

https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-yorkshire-tea-not-grown-in-england-africa-india-tea-trade-twitter-viral-funny-8200416?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

Are you proposing we pay and treat them well enough to get locals to take the jobs? I can get behind that 100%

Who wouldn’t?
Too much public money is given to private companies as state aid in order pay in-work benefits to their workers. When Tesco’s tailor their attendance patterns to suit their workers accessing benefits, you know there’s something wrong. No wonder despite record levels of employment the tax take isn’t what it should be.
I'd much rather we used some of that cash to improve our collective productivity through automation and create the wealth to make working in public service not the miserable experience it has become.

Arklight

Herzlos wrote: »

At the risk of trying to start some new discussions...

What do people think about the threats from Japanese businesses?
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/961640952128528385

Or that we're apparently likely to get about 1200 EU haulage licenses but have somewhere between 17,000-35,000 drivers who'd need them to continue their job?

Japan doesn't want Brexit, they've been quite clear on that.

A lot of the Japanese businessmen I used to know when I lived over there would say they were quite surprised their UK operations did as well as they did.

The UK doesn't have an especially strong brand image in Japan. I'm sure this will infuriate Brexiters but in general the Japanese see Britain as being very slightly behind France in wealth and influence, but with terrible food (which is unfair now, actually, at least about the food). And both are far behind Germany.

Most Japanese can't name any British companies, and the ones they can are probably not British. They are however all convinced that Dead Poets Society is a British film about a boarding school in Surrey.

The people I knew who were involved in plants or manufacture in the UK said the workers were better skilled than they were led to believe was common for British workers, and the lack of regulation made them cheaper and much easier to fire than unionised France.

I dont think any of them ever imagined that the operations they were running would one day not be a part of the EU.

Herzlos

I think a lot of the wealth already exists, it's just being funneled into the wrong places via suspiciously poor sell offs and hugely expensive privitised contracts.

How many nurses could we pay for from the expenses money given to MP's for stuff they shouldn't be claiming for?
How many nurses could we pay for with the money Davis spent on getting military flights to Brussels?
How many nurses could we get with the DxEU budget?

Arklight

Herzlos wrote: »

I think a lot of the wealth already exists, it's just being funneled into the wrong places via suspiciously poor sell offs and hugely expensive privitised contracts.

How many nurses could we pay for from the expenses money given to MP's for stuff they shouldn't be claiming for?
How many nurses could we pay for with the money Davis spent on getting military flights to Brussels?
How many nurses could we get with the DxEU budget?

We'd get a lot more nurse per capita if we either a) paid them more or b) made the cost of living cheaper for them.

We however live under an ideology that wants people who provide services to be paid next to nothing with no employment rights, and also to spend enormous sums on housing to rentiers.

Herzlos

Arklight wrote: »

Japan doesn't want Brexit, they've been quite clear on that.

They tend to be hugely risk adverse, and that works for them, so I can see their concern. I'm sure they all have contingency plans for moving investment onto the mainland to keep factories in the EU. Probably the cheapest Eastern states.

I dont think any of them ever imagined that the operations they were running would one day not be a part of the EU.

I think a lot of people (brexiteers in particular) seem to be under the impression that Japanese companies would have invested as heavily in the UK if it wasn't viewed as a cheap back door into the EU. Without good access to the EU markets, the main selling point for the Japanese goes away (that we're in the EU)

tracey3596

Herzlos wrote: »

Sorry, I was sure I had.

The reduction in growth figures Untrue unless you provide evidence. GDP is growing, there is evidence of that. , the drop in investment Evidence? Another barefaced lie according to these:

"UK landed record foreign investment in year of Brexit vote"


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-investment/uk-landed-record-foreign-investment-in-year-of-brexit-vote-idUKKBN1DV4EI and "
UK tech sector enjoys record investment in 2017 despite Brexit uncertainty"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-tech-sector-brexit-2017-investment-record-leave-eu-london-startups-a8143021.html , consumer and business confidence irrelevant since these are always up and down like a yoyo and usually have little bearing on the end facts. Besides which it is again wrong, as the following shows:
"UK consumer confidence up in January"


https://www.research-live.com/article/news/uk-consumer-confidence-up-in-january/id/5033912
, the businesses threatening to leave the UK if Brexit is bad for them Again irrelevant AND earlier threats have been proven wrong. , the poor exchange rate Scraping the barrel? The £ is now around two cents lower against the Euro than it was in 2014 and has been steadily rising against the $ sinve the start of 2017, besides which the lower £ to $ has benefits too. , the rise in xenophobia Already dismissed as rubbish - as well as being far more prevalent across mainland Europe. Unless of course you are referring to the xenophobia evident in Europhiles in which case I must agree with you. , our loss of reputation in the world According to whom? Do you have any evidence of that wild claim? Most of the world doesn't care, they have their own problems. , the risk of us being forced into a crap deal with the US You really are scraping the barrel. Zero evidence yet again of that claim unless you read certain media reports., the loss of jobs in manufacturing and banking. Where?
Uk employment is at a record high, manufacturing and productivity are growing and so far how many banking jobs have moved? And how far down have the wild claims of estimated banking jobs moved, eh? From a hundred thousand to:
"Banks set to move fewer than 4,600 City jobs over Brexit"

https://www.ft.com/content/931b1b1a-df49-11e7-a8a4-0a1e63a52f9c



All things predicted and have come true. As shown, no they haven't. You'll deny them all of course No, the facts and evidence so far proven them to be wrong. , but they'll still be facts regardless. Not until you supply evidence to support your so-called facts.

Such a long-winded post and yet with so many untruths contained therein that I decided only to answer that part directed at me.
If you're determined to mislead you could at least attempt to be convincing and provide evidence for your claims.
Responses - containing evidence - highlighted in red.