Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

StevieJ wrote: »

Not sure what this means? Surely people were better off as they could bring in as much as they liked from low duty states like Greece (instead of duty free limits)

The duty free limits are awful these days too, because "the government needs the money" according to the guy who confiscated my tobacco a couple of years ago.
So you'll likely save more buying stuff from the single market than you could from duty free, unless you're buying a small amount of something incredibly expensive.

Theophile

Herzlos wrote: »

If I wanted to have a debate with google I'd use google myself. I'm sick of Brexiteers (for the most part) posting a screed of links with titles that sound like they make their point, but reading the articles show the point is either garbage or heavily caveated, implying that the poster either didn't read the articles or doesn't have any reading comprehension. There's no point trying to discuss anything with someone who don't do the most basic research as to whether their 'evidence' is even evidence.

I also love how they google their socks off for any 'evidence' portraying the EU in a negative light, paste a link and then it turns out just to be another opinion piece by a rabid brexiteer.
Some things never change. :rotfl:

cogito

Theophile wrote: »

I also love how they google their socks off for any 'evidence' portraying the EU in a negative light, paste a link and then it turns out just to be another opinion piece by a rabid brexiteer.
Some things never change. :rotfl:

Of course, the reverse is also true.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

If I wanted to have a debate with google I'd use google myself. I'm sick of Brexiteers (for the most part) posting a screed of links with titles that sound like they make their point, but reading the articles show the point is either garbage or heavily caveated, implying that the poster either didn't read the articles or doesn't have any reading comprehension. There's no point trying to discuss anything with someone who don't do the most basic research as to whether their 'evidence' is even evidence.

They would, wouldn't they? Playing the martyr seems to the only thing team Brexit can do.
As I understand it, we agreed the schedule up front, and now are complaining the EU won't change it (because we assume they've got nothing better to do?)
If we want to speed things up, we need to actually figure out what we want and start making clear proposals to the EU instead of wasting their time in endless meetings.

And last year the EU were complaining that they wanted to speed things up but couldn't because we were unprepared. But that's different, isn't it?

Incredible_1

Theophile wrote: »

I also love how they google their socks off for any 'evidence' portraying the EU in a negative light, paste a link and then it turns out just to be another opinion piece by a rabid brexiteer.
Some things never change. :rotfl:

Given that you appear unable to distinguish between male and female even, you will I'm sure forgive us if we decline to accept your observations with any degree of credence.

At least the poster you refer to doesn't persistently misdirect and deliberately mislead like the rabid remainers here or - worse - resort to nastiness, coercion and even bullying, eh?


Example:

Arklight wrote: »

The Daily Mash is humorous and satirical Tracey. No, I know you don't understand it.

Before introducing the linked report you refer to came this:

tracey3596 wrote: »

One for the remainers here to fume over:

It seems from that quite obvious that you, Arklight, don't understand satire.
You fell for it hook, line and sinker.
:rotfl:
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/satire

The use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

:T

Incredible_1

Manufacturing is up and construction is up too, with only the pipeline outage responsible for the fall in industrial output. On top of that, for 2017 the trade deficit narrowed by £7 billion.
:T

Britain's economy grew at a quarterly rate of 0.5 percent in the three months to December, the fastest pace seen over 2017. The ONS said the industrial and construction data did not alter this estimate.
The economy continued to expand at this pace in the three months to January, the National Institute of Economic and Social Research estimated on Friday.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy/oil-pipeline-shutdown-hits-uk-industry-but-manufacturing-and-construction-grow-idUKKBN1FT16E

Moby

cogito wrote: »

What people like you just don't get is that the people of EU member countries on the whole do not want the kind of EU that they are being led into without their consent. They are happy with being able to trade freely with their neighbours but they do not want to become the equivalent of a small parish council. On the only occasions that the people of the EU have been allowed a voice on new treaties, they have rejected them and forced to vote again and again until they gave the correct answer or the name on the treaty was changed to make it look like it was something different.

You are seeing the rise of so called 'populism' which is nothing but a derogatory term used by europhiles to describe those with whom they disagree. Why do you suppose that is? Look at Italy which has seen no economic growth in this century and is groaning under the weight of its debt because it is tied to a currency which favours Germany and the Netherlands at the expense of nearly every other member and is denied the tools to help itself. If the opinion polls are to be believed, the result of the Italian election will be a nightmare for the EU and it will be one which they have brought upon themselves.

The populism you describe is a wave of disaffection that will pass. Any big idea such as EU integration will experience waves of unpopularity. I bet you Italy doesn't leave the EU! A few weeks ago the doom mongers were predicting the end of Merkel and what's actually happened is the SDP, (more Europhile party) is actually stronger and will encourage a stronger stance against us!

Meanwhile our own Govmt can't even agree amongst themselves their stance towards the Custom Union but have been left in no doubt that there will be a border in Ireland if we come out of it!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-michel-barnier-transition-uk-leave-eu-rules-immigration-single-market-customs-union-a8202361.html

Anyway look who seems to be riding to the rescue:-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/09/after-decades-in-the-making-jacob-rees-mogg-time-may-be-coming

Moby

Theophile wrote: »

I also love how they google their socks off for any 'evidence' portraying the EU in a negative light, paste a link and then it turns out just to be another opinion piece by a rabid brexiteer.
Some things never change. :rotfl:

They really have to google their socks off to find anything positive don't they!:rotfl:

Incredible_1

Moby wrote: »

The populism you describe is a wave of disaffection that will pass. Any big idea such as EU integration will experience waves of unpopularity. I bet you Italy doesn't leave the EU! A few weeks ago the doom mongers were predicting the end of Merkel and what's actually happened is the SDP, (more Europhile party) is actually stronger and will encourage a stronger stance against us!

Meanwhile our own Govmt can't even agree amongst themselves their stance towards the Custom Union but have been left in no doubt that there will be a border in Ireland if we come out of it!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-michel-barnier-transition-uk-leave-eu-rules-immigration-single-market-customs-union-a8202361.html

Anyway look who seems to be riding to the rescue:-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/09/after-decades-in-the-making-jacob-rees-mogg-time-may-be-coming

What utter bull poop.
It will take many years for this "wave of disaffection" to pass unless the EU's powers-that-be do something to stop it's advance, and there are zero indicators of that so far.
https://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21736137-they-and-their-ideas-are-both-being-picked-up-established-parties-europes-populists-are
As for the SPD being stronger now; in your dreams!

the SPD would score a record-low 17 percent if elections were hold now.

https://www.thelocal.de/20180208/hero-to-loser-the-broken-promises-of-spd-leader-schulz

You may well be right that Germany's weak coalition won't do the UK much good re: Brexit but it's no surprise I suppose that you would try to paint Merkel as somehow being in a better position than the UK's May. She certainly is not.
That's one more reason why the coalition has given itself a review in two years time with the possibility of another election then.

tracey3596

Moby wrote: »

They really have to google their socks off to find anything positive don't they!:rotfl:

What you mean I think is that you can't find anything to support your cries of doom and gloom?
:whistle: