Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

.string.

gfplux wrote: »

So let us do that.
Originally Posted by gfplux View Post
Brexiters voted Brexit as they blamed the EU for a lot of things.
Brexiters continue to blame the EU despite Britain is nearly out of the door.
I suspect Brexiters will continue to blame the EU for every negative that happens between now and the future.
Brexiters will NEVER acknowledge that leaving the EU has any down side.

Remainers like me can not see ANY economic upside for Britain in leaving the EU. Taking back control does not put food on plates or make Britain better at exporting.

Remainers voted Remain as they did not blame the EU for a lot of things.
Remainers continue not to blame the EU despite the fact Britain is nearly out of the door.
I suspect Remainers will not blame the EU foe everything that happens to Britain between now and the future.
Remainers will NEVER acknowledge that leaving the EU has any downside

Brexiters like you can not see ANY economic upside for Britain in leaving the EU.

Now that was fun. Just goes to show.

It certainly goes to show something.



"Brexiters like you" eh!

Preconceptions are not the same as truths.

I voted remain, my family lives in Europe, I've worked over 30 years in Europe. I am damaged by Brexit.

But I'm not going to sit on my Bum moaning and groaning, irrationally mouthing tired rejected arguments of 2 years ago, refusing to acknowledge that the UK has made its choice, and contributing nothing but negativity. It is a time for Brits to support the country, not try and sabotage our future.

Enterprise_1701C

.string. wrote: »

It certainly goes to show something.



"Brexiters like you" eh!

Preconceptions are not the same as truths.

I voted remain, my family lives in Europe, I've worked over 30 years in Europe. I am damaged by Brexit.

But I'm not going to sit on my Bum moaning and groaning, irrationally mouthing tired rejected arguments of 2 years ago, refusing to acknowledge that the UK has made its choice, and contributing nothing but negativity. It is a time for Brits to support the country, not try and sabotage our future.

Hear hear :T:T

If more people that voted to remain had your attitude the world would be a brighter place. Remoaners need to stop their moaning and start helping to make this country the brilliant place it is capable of being.

tracey3596

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Hear hear :T:T

If more people that voted to remain had your attitude the world would be a brighter place. Remoaners need to stop their moaning and start helping to make this country the brilliant place it is capable of being.

They can't do that!
Like Eurocrats, they would rather shoot themselves in the foot trying their worst so that they can proclaim with glee "See! Told you so!"
Despite attempts so far it isn't working.
The better the UK does and the closer we get to a Brexit where we are free of the EU's shackles, the more dissent you see from these remainers.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Brexiters voted Brexit as they blamed the EU for a lot of things.

No they didn't. As has been shown recently it's the contempt and arrogance shown towards the British people that has created the much of the divide. Cameron took the issue of FOM to the highest level. There was not the slightest interest in the pressures that the UK faces as a tiny island. With the influx of people in such huge numbers in an uncontrolled fashion.

The problem with the EU. Is that it is undemocratic. In an era of localisation, regionalisation and autonomy. The EU is still on the big is best path. Times have moved on. The EU hasn't. It's stuck in it's post world war / post cold war mentality. Of attempting to maintain a peaceful Europe after centuries of conflict. Judging by much of the angst isn't unifying the masses very effectively.

Rough_Justice

Thrugelmir wrote: »

No they didn't. As has been shown recently it's the contempt and arrogance shown towards the British people that has created the much of the divide. Cameron took the issue of FOM to the highest level. There was not the slightest interest in the pressures that the UK faces as a tiny island. With the influx of people in such huge numbers in an uncontrolled fashion.

The problem with the EU. Is that it is undemocratic. In an era of localisation, regionalisation and autonomy. The EU is still on the big is best path. Times have moved on. The EU hasn't. It's stuck in it's post world war / post cold war mentality. Of attempting to maintain a peaceful Europe after centuries of conflict. Judging by much of the angst isn't unifying the masses very effectively.

Yes, even Germans are unhappy now with the prospect of another Merkel-led coalition.
Many SPD members (who must still vote upon whether or not to accept plans for this coalition, remember) are unhappy at the prospect of another coalition, fearing that their already-lower support will further haemorrhage votes come the next election leaving them little chance of more say in a German future for many years to come.

And Merkel's own CDU/CSU are unhappy at having to relinquish so much just to remain in power. Still, the unusual "half-time review" or rather the possibility of another election in two years is giving hope to many that Merkel will go then, if she lasts that long.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-politics/few-cheers-at-home-for-germanys-loveless-coalition-idUKKBN1FS12B?il=0
https://www.politico.eu/article/angela-merkel-under-friendly-fire-over-coalition-deal-with-spd/

What it has done (or rather, will do if the coalition is agreed) is provide those that want it with the impetus to reform and increase federalism within the EU, as Macron and Schulz (the SPD leader, remember) have been calling for.

Germany’s coalition agreement this week opens the way for convergence with France on reform of the euro zone, French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said on Thursday.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-politics-france-lemaire/german-coalition-clears-path-for-convergence-on-euro-zone-frances-le-maire-idUKKBN1FS1AT?il=0

"Relevance to Brexit?" may result from this post.
The real prospect of a United States of Europe as prophesied by Brexiters and pooh-poohed by remainers should by now be obvious enough for you.

Rough_Justice

"We're all getting poorer" some remainers have said. (I'm not - but that would be called anecdotal or worse, from history on this thread.)
Well, things are looking up.

British companies are raising the salaries they offer to new permanent staff at the fastest rate since June 2015 due to a shortage of good-quality staff, recruiters said in a survey published on Thursday.

The Recruitment and Employment Confederation said businesses were hiring staff at the joint-fastest rate since April 2015, and running into skills shortages.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-employment-rec/uk-firms-raise-starting-salaries-by-most-since-june-2015-rec-idUKKBN1FS04L

Arklight

tracey3596 wrote: »

Only according to a rabid Europhile, Herzlos.
Here's just a few examples.
A web search brings up pages of them.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-bullying-tactics-will-do-little-to-win-over-brexit-voters-7hdwmh8n3

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39812626

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2017/04/29/eu-bully/

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/i-was-a-remainer-but-the-eu-bullying-brexiteer/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/theresa-may-european-union-brexit-negotiations-air-pollution-a8011341.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-davis/brexit-minister-davis-says-eu-trying-to-bully-britain-idUSKBN1810IK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/10/detect-bullying-hand-eu-irelands-surprise-brexit-ultimatum-must/

And a partridge in a pear tree.

Moby

tracey3596 wrote: »

"Welcome to our union.
You can leave when you want.
This will however mean you surrendering all your personal possessions, your livelihood, your home and - if you don't strictly follow our union code to the letter - we reserve the right to send "the boys" round at any time."
Signed: Barnier & Tusk.

Playing the victim card convinces no-one.....!

Moby

Lornapink wrote: »

Of course the EU is threatening things, it has to be seen to be hard nosed to deter other potential leavers but in the end the core European export nations cannot afford to damage those sales and jobs, on top of having to plug the hole left by Britain's lost contribution.


I find it curious that some Brits would capitulate and display weakness rather than show the sort of resolve past Britons have in the face of challenge.

Its not a war you know. These are our neighbours. We should be co-operating not creating problems for them.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

Its not a war you know. These are our neighbours. We should be co-operating not creating problems for them.

Shouldn’t they also be co-operating with us.