Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Theophile

tracey3596 wrote: »

Ahem.
"The economy will thrive outside the EU’s protectionist tariff wall"

Article by Graeme Leach, senior fellow at the Legatum Insitute, a Eurosceptic thinktank.

What a find, tracey. Keep up the good work. :rotfl:

tracey3596

Herzlos wrote: »

Except none of that's true, is it Tracy?

Only according to a rabid Europhile, Herzlos.
Here's just a few examples.
A web search brings up pages of them.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-bullying-tactics-will-do-little-to-win-over-brexit-voters-7hdwmh8n3

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39812626

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2017/04/29/eu-bully/

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nigel-farage/i-was-a-remainer-but-the-eu-bullying-brexiteer/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/letters/theresa-may-european-union-brexit-negotiations-air-pollution-a8011341.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-davis/brexit-minister-davis-says-eu-trying-to-bully-britain-idUSKBN1810IK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/10/detect-bullying-hand-eu-irelands-surprise-brexit-ultimatum-must/

Herzlos

Have you read any of them to see if they do actually provide what I asked, or are you planning to just drown me in google results?

I've skimmed through them (more than you did, or you wouldn't have posted them) and see no actual evidence of bullying, a few claims (without citation) and a few twisted truths (from Davis, some random Brexiteer call-in).

So the truth is that you don't have any actual proof of the EU bullying the UK to punish us, because it isn't, correct?

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

Did you read it? It's largely economic garbage.

It's suggesting tariff free trade with the world, so FTA's with everyone, and a vast reduction in regulation.

There are a few problems though:
* If we reduce too much regulation we won't be able to get a FTA with the EU.
* We rely too heavily on services, which we aren't going to get in a FTA with the EU.
* We do lose a huge amount of bargaining power and will likely need to take a pretty imbalanced deal from a protectionist state to get something resembling a FTA.
* Tariff free trade with the world will destroy most of our local industries, where stuff (like sugar) can be imported for a fraction of the cost.

So ultra low import tarrif countries like Singapore, NZ and Australia 'ought' to have failing economies?

tracey3596

Theophile wrote: »

Article by Graeme Leach, senior fellow at the Legatum Insitute, a Eurosceptic thinktank.

What a find, tracey. Keep up the good work. :rotfl:

You're not just sore because Brexit isn't going the way you want, perchance Theo?
:rotfl:
As I said earlier, articles and research by Europhiles is fine but by Eurosceptics isn't?
:rotfl:
Shame.
Here's another that I'm guessing you won't much like either.
"Brexit gloom lifted again as UK growth is upgrade"

One of Britain’s top think tanks has upgraded its growth forecasts for the UK economy, in a move that threatens to deal another blow to widespread predictions that Brexit would deliver a serious shock to Britain.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/02/05/brexit-gloom-lifted-uk-growth-upgraded/

Theophile

tracey3596 wrote: »

"Brexit gloom lifted again as UK growth is upgrade"

Yay. Upgraded from 1.4 to 1.7%. Result!

it will remain below 2.5pc in the Eurozone, 2.3pc in the US, and an estimated 3pc globally

Ahem.

tracey3596

Herzlos wrote: »

Have you read any of them to see if they do actually provide what I asked, or are you planning to just drown me in google results?

I've skimmed through them (more than you did, or you wouldn't have posted them) and see no actual evidence of bullying, a few claims (without citation) and a few twisted truths (from Davis, some random Brexiteer call-in).

So the truth is that you don't have any actual proof of the EU bullying the UK to punish us, because it isn't, correct?

You asked a question?
Where?

When are you planning on answering mine towards you & phil from a few days ago now?

tracey3596 wrote: »

Where's your evidence of anti-Brexit experts being proven right or of ill-effects of Brexit so far?

Post 4962 lists some of those your experts got wrong; where's your list of ones they've got right?
:whistle:

tracey3596

Theophile wrote: »

Yay. Upgraded from 1.4 to 1.7%. Result!
Ahem.

Ahem.
NOT recession then?
Do you remember this?
"That Immediate Brexit Recession - UK GDP Growth 0.6%, Best In Developed World"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/01/26/that-immediate-brexit-recession-uk-gdp-growth-0-6-best-in-developed-world/#b13b9d537756

tracey3596

Britain’s economy has slowed since the 2016 Brexit vote but it has fared better than many investors expected at the time of the referendum ........

The BoE linked the sluggish British outlook to slower growth in the labour force, due to fewer immigrants coming to Britain after Brexit and to the country’s ageing population.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-boe/bank-of-england-sees-rates-rising-sooner-and-higher-as-uk-boosted-by-global-growth-idUKKBN1FS1QO

Yes yes yes, we're being carried along by a global wave.
Funny how this same wave will supposedly vanish as soon as we actually leave the EU according to some.
:rotfl:

tracey3596

Herzlos wrote: »

Except none of that's true, is it Tracy?

Just for you a video.
From the mouth of a Belgian MEP no less.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/916247/Brexit-news-European-Union-EU-UK-latest-deal-vote-referendum-ITV

Mr Lamberts said: “Are there politicians on this side of the Channel wanting to punish the United Kingdom? Yes."