Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Here is a fine example of the voters commitment to democracy. On the very day Britain was celebrating votes for women and working class men Britain see a turnout of 29%
Is this a new low or will the council elections in May set a record?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyn_and_Deeside_by-election,_2018

Do you have a point? 29% is considerably better than six EU member countries managed in the 2014 elections.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/elections2014-results/en/turnout.html

.string.

gfplux wrote: »

Brexiters voted Brexit as they blamed the EU for a lot of things.
Brexiters continue to blame the EU despite Britain is nearly out of the door.
I suspect Brexiters will continue to blame the EU for every negative that happens between now and the future.
Brexiters will NEVER acknowledge that leaving the EU has any down side.

Remainers like me can not see ANY economic upside for Britain in leaving the EU. Taking back control does not put food on plates or make Britain better at exporting.

That post could be rewritten, reversing the role of "Brexit" with "Remainers"; whichever way it is done it all adds up to stating "They are totally wrong and I am totally right".

A saying comes to mind; "necessity is the mother of invention" : in other words we as a nation need to get our act together and MAKE it work, not continually moan about the crazy result of the EU Referendum.

Those who still try to sabotage the Brexit process should use their obviously claimed superior intellect to try to make Brexit a success and not continually seek only for reasons it should fail.

Lornapink

gfplux wrote: »

The London School of Economics have regular lectures that are recorded which are then available for anyone to listen to.
Recently this was recorded on 31st January.

What do the Italian Elections mean for Europe.

I found it very informative, unbiased http://www.lse.ac.uk/website-archive/newsAndMedia/videoAndAudio/channels/publicLecturesAndEvents/player.aspx?id=3980&from_serp=1

LSE is EU funded and very biased indeed so I'd be surprised if this is an open minded inquisition.
Good friend of mine's spouse is Italian and thinks anti EU parties will win the day.

Theophile

.string. wrote: »

That post could be rewritten, reversing the role of "Brexit" with "Remainers"; whichever way it is done it all adds up to stating "They are totally wrong and I am totally right".

A saying comes to mind; "necessity is the mother of invention" : in other words we as a nation need to get our act together and MAKE it work,, not continually
moan about the crazy result of the EU Referendum.

Those who still try to sabotage the Brexit process should use their obviously claimed superior intellect to try to make Brexit a success and not continually seek only for reasons it should fail.

Erm...nope.
For 40+ years, Europhobes from all corners of the nation have tried to undermine our EU membership, even setting up a political party with its sole aim to extract us from the EU.
Now the boot is on the other foot, we should all fall in line and make a success of it? :rotfl:
Forget it.

By they way, there really is no way of turning an epic turd into a success you can get behind. No matter how much you try.

Lornapink

.string. wrote: »

A saying comes to mind; "necessity is the mother of invention" : in other words we as a nation need to get our act together and MAKE it work,

You touch on a critical point. Those clunky Brexit Impact Assessments are merely linear extrapolations from a current setting, they take no account of policy mitigation and innovation.

Remainers have this notion of reality as being ordained and written on tablets of stone, rather than something we shape ourselves.
This is apparent regards the Irish border. Remainers approach the challenge as an insurmountable obstacle, a law of physics.
All such things are Human made and Human altered, so of course a solution will be sculpted.

Lornapink

Theophile wrote: »

By they way, there really is no way of turning an epic turd into a success you can get behind. No matter how much you try.

At almost every turn in the British journey, those of a conservative establishment mind-set said change will result in disaster, that no good will come of it. Even the first heart surgeons were roundly condemned as dangerous quacks.


Remainers are repeating this age old preference for familiarity.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Do you have a point? 29% is considerably better than six EU member countries managed in the 2014 elections.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/elections2014-results/en/turnout.html

Yes I have a point.
A turnout of 29% is a shocking lack of interest.
The fact you wish to point out that could be worse is beyond words.
It is off topic but
This week when Britain is commemorating a significant step forward in actually getting a vote a 29% turnout is an insult to all those sacrifices made by women and men to get the vote.
You....... sorry I will not finish.

Lornapink

BobQ wrote: »

While I am less pessimistic about Brexit than I once was, I still cannot understand why so many people think that a lower standard of living is a price worth paying to address their particular problems

Brexit will provide boundless opportunities, we wont suffer a lower living standard. EU-UK trade wont fall in net terms (some winners, some losers), but global autonomy & exploiting our soft power top 1 or 2 position will reveal huge potential and innovation.


The biggest Remain misconception of all is that Brexit is some kind of disaster to be managed.

gfplux

Lornapink wrote: »

LSE is EU funded and very biased indeed so I'd be surprised if this is an open minded inquisition.
Good friend of mine's spouse is Italian and thinks anti EU parties will win the day.

So why not listen to your enemy.
Hopefully your Italian friend will listen when you pass the link on. It will be interesting what else she has to say.

Lornapink

Ballard wrote: »

All this talk about the EU punishing us leaves me more than a little puzzled. Weren't we repeatedly told prior to the referendum that they need us more than we need them and that they'd bite our hand off to keep free trade going once we'd left?

Fortunately I live in London which is forecast to do the best (or more accurately, least worst) out of the whole country post-Brexit. For my sake I hope that that forecast is more or less correct.

Of course the EU is threatening things, it has to be seen to be hard nosed to deter other potential leavers but in the end the core European export nations cannot afford to damage those sales and jobs, on top of having to plug the hole left by Britain's lost contribution.


I find it curious that some Brits would capitulate and display weakness rather than show the sort of resolve past Britons have in the face of challenge.