Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Assuming it even addresses their particular problems. Most of the complaints I'm aware of are actually down to UK government failings and not being in the EU.

I still think that Brexit will result in quite profound long term changes in the way the UK operates in many spheres.

Whether that works out to the good or not is obviously unknown, but I would argue that it is down to us to make it a success.

If you look at the retail business journals, for example, you can see a lot of real work looking at how to deal with rising cost pressures. It's not just shrinkflation; it's a focus on efficiency initiatives right across the piece.

There is nothing wrong with this, and more efficient; leaner business practice from the majors will help to combat the discounters who have moved in.

I agree that people had lost faith with the current way things have been run.

Just look at this BBC report :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42976632

The low productivity problems have been with us since the GFC, well before the Brexit vote. I think the mass labour offerings provided by FOM have allowed companies to be lazy in how they use labour.

I think we have the companies to adapt and get through Brexit, but do we have the government with the required backbone?

Herzlos

So May is refusing to garauntee the nhs will be safe from us trade talks, coupled with the fact we know the us see the nhs as a large target in a trade deal and the Tories have agreed to keep trade deal secret until 4 years after it's concluded.
That's what Brexit is going to get us and I find that more concerning than any economic damage. Isn't that the opposite of what people voted for?

https://www.thecanary.co/discovery/2018/02/07/theresa-may-just-fired-starting-pistol-sale-nhs-trump-video-tweets/

Ballard

All this talk about the EU punishing us leaves me more than a little puzzled. Weren't we repeatedly told prior to the referendum that they need us more than we need them and that they'd bite our hand off to keep free trade going once we'd left?

Fortunately I live in London which is forecast to do the best (or more accurately, least worst) out of the whole country post-Brexit. For my sake I hope that that forecast is more or less correct.

vivatifosi

Ballard wrote: »

All this talk about the EU punishing us leaves me more than a little puzzled. Weren't we repeatedly told prior to the referendum that they need us more than we need them and that they'd bite our hand off to keep free trade going once we'd left?

Fortunately I live in London which is forecast to do the best (or more accurately, least worst) out of the whole country post-Brexit. For my sake I hope that that forecast is more or less correct.

But equally Ballard, it is quite a toxic position for the EU to talk of punishing us so that all the other countries are afraid to leave. It is quite dictatorial. I voted remain, but threatening countries who have followed a legally available path in order to stop others following is appalling.

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

No necessary so in many constituencies one party is well ahead In those constituencies a vote for Lib/Dems could have been used as a protest against brexit. The anti brexit partys got a small percentage of votes in England.

UKIPs votes probably fell away because people though the job was done.

Here is a fine example of the voters commitment to democracy. On the very day Britain was celebrating votes for women and working class men Britain see a turnout of 29%
Is this a new low or will the council elections in May set a record?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyn_and_Deeside_by-election,_2018

kabayiri

vivatifosi wrote: »

But equally Ballard, it is quite a toxic position for the EU to talk of punishing us so that all the other countries are afraid to leave. It is quite dictatorial. I voted remain, but threatening countries who have followed a legally available path in order to stop others following is appalling.

I just think you have to consider longer term relations, and that applies to both parties.

I had opportunity recently to revisit the history period just after WW1. It was pretty clear that punitive measures from Belgium;France;UK against Germany had some long lasting consequences.

What not even Juncker or Johnson or May can predict is just how any downturn would be painted by the British media. People will be looking for someone to blame, and it's pretty easy to blame the EU. This worries me more than business response.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Then why are the EU so keen to punish us. What are they frightened of. That the UK is going demonstrate that life is better outside. Increasingly the veneer is peeling off the EU project. The inner circle is showing just political they are. How important their project is. With an attitude of don't care less about the average working person.

The EU is attempting to give Britain what it wants. Britain wants to leave the EU and become a third country able to negotiate freely for free trade agreements with the rest of the world.
Theresa May has asked for a transition period but Now want to impose conditions on that transition deal.
However using megaphone negotiating tactics and actually delaying the talks by not actually saying officially what she wants in the transition contract.

gfplux

tracey3596 wrote: »

Yes but I strongly suspect that you will ignore it, just as you ignore pretty much everything else that doesn't suit your stated opinions.
So I will post only one, from today - but TBH there's loads.

"Even Lib Dems disapprove of negotiator’s plan to let EU punish UK during transition period"


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/07/uk-politicians-briefly-unite-against-michel-barnier-brexit-demands

Just like life, if you break the rules there are consequences.

gfplux

Things must be getting serious.
The British Chamber of Comerce has come out of the closet.
They are worried as many should be that things are moving too slowly.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/07/business-leaders-warn-may-our-patience-over-brexit-is-running-out

Business leaders have warned Theresa May that !!!8220;patience is wearing thin!!!8221; with the government!!!8217;s indecision on Brexit, as her inner cabinet comes under intense pressure to give a clearer signal about Britain!!!8217;s future relationship with the EU.

On the day cabinet ministers prepared to gather for the first of two crucial meetings, the British Chambers of Commerce released a strongly-worded statement saying that !!!8220;businesses need those elected to govern our country to make choices!!!8221;.

In an open letter to the prime minister, the BCC!!!8217;s president, Francis Martin, and director-general, Adam Marshall, said the perception of their 75,000 member firms is of !!!8220;continued division!!!8221; at the top of government.

!!!8220;The BCC has refrained from entering into the noisy political debate on the shape of the final settlement in recent weeks. We have instead emphasised the need for answers to the many practical questions businesses now face,!!!8221; they said.

Enterprise_1701C

gfplux wrote: »

Just like life, if you break the rules there are consequences.

Sorry, but we have not broken the rules, we have simply decided to leave.

The eu are saying the same rules must apply through the transition period, although apparently that does not apply to them, they say we cannot vote on any of the new rules they decide to bring in through that time.