Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

There are a lot of (adventurous or desperate?) young unqualified EU27 people working in the catering/hospitality business in London. They arrive with poor or little English.
How many young unqualified young British people do the same in other European capitals?

I am not saying that Youth unemployment might be an issue but it is a shame that young Brits are not doing the same.

To be fair, there aren't masses of Scandinavians, Dutch, German or Belgians working in hospitality in London. Most are from the former eastern bloc countries or Mediterranean countries such as Spain and Portugal. So people from countries with similar or higher GDP per capita and lower youth unemployment aren't flocking here.

Also, young Brits have always travelled and worked abroad, a lot of the ones I know have gone to Australia and a few to the USA. It's easier as the language is the same, but fruit picking while staying at a backpackers in Aus is not for the terminally lazy.

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

You I note, as you so often do, chose to slag off the nation of your birth with gusto.

At least that is honest. I hate this new order of brexit where we have to lie about being great or risk being told we're not patriotic enough. This isn't North Korea... At least not yet.

Tromking wrote: »

What do you mean by your own healthcare access being “nearly free” or “80-95% free”?
I suspect this proves the point that there are distinct differences in our respective ways of delivering healthcare, and any change could be seen as a negative to many UK citizens.

Nearly free or 80-95% free is better than the NHS.

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

To be fair, there aren't masses of Scandinavians, Dutch, German or Belgians working in hospitality in London. Most are from the former eastern bloc countries or Mediterranean countries such as Spain and Portugal. So people from countries with similar or higher GDP per capita and lower youth unemployment aren't flocking here.

Also, young Brits have always travelled and worked abroad, a lot of the ones I know have gone to Australia and a few to the USA. It's easier as the language is the same, but fruit picking while staying at a backpackers in Aus is not for the terminally lazy.

First Vivatifosi I will not argue with your opinion as you MIGHT live and work in Central London.
That is why I continue to bang on about posters NOT putting their location in their status.
So you make me assume you live in and or work in central London and have personal or family experience of working in the hospitality industry side by side with young people from the former eastern block countries.
PS you do know the Berlin Wall has now been DOWN longer than it was UP. Those foreigners from around the Mediterranean you mention are so happy you dont specifically set them apart from others.
So you MUST live and work in central London and have worked in the hospitality industry alongside them foreigners, I bow to your superior knowledge.
PPS you did not mention French, Danish, Luxembourgers or Italians who my family member DID work alongside in central London.

phillw

gfplux wrote: »

PPS you did not mention French, Danish, Luxembourgers or Italians who my family member DID work alongside in central London.

To be fair he didn't say they didn't, he was saying where he thought "most" came from

tracey3596

phillw wrote: »

At least that is honest. I hate this new order of brexit where we have to lie about being great or risk being told we're not patriotic enough. This isn't North Korea... At least not yet.
Nearly free or 80-95% free is better than the NHS.

It was honest which was more than your response was.;)

Because "I hate this new order of brexit where we" must accept without question that the UK is somehow doomed as we exit the EU despite there being absolutely zero evidence of this - or risk being told that we are "little Englanders" or some other such derogatory terminology as suits the moment.

You're right, this isn't North Korea.
It is (as has been shown) one of the most democratic countries in the world - for which you should be very grateful since opinions such as you post publicly in less-democratic countries would very probably lead to a knock at your door swiftly followed by (if you're lucky) lengthy incarceration.

"Nearly free or 80-95% free is better than the NHS."
Rubbish!
Since gfplux resides in Luxembourg, here's a quick guide for you:
https://www.expatica.com/lu/healthcare/Healthcare-in-Luxembourg_105466.html

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

PS you do know the Berlin Wall has now been DOWN longer than it was UP.

More importantly East Germany was separated/divided from West Germany for 41 years though.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

Ive no idea if there are plans to amalgamate EU healthcare provision in the event of a Federal Europe, like you I was just running with it in response to another poster.
I was honest enough to preface my answer with the words for better or worse!!!8221; when I wrote about the NHS being possibly subsumed by a wider European healthcare system in the future. You I note, as you so often do, chose to slag off the nation of your birth with gusto.
What do you mean by your own healthcare access being !!!8220;nearly free!!!8221; or !!!8220;80-95% free!!!8221;?
I suspect this proves the point that there are distinct differences in our respective ways of delivering healthcare, and any change could be seen as a negative to many UK citizens.

OFF TOPIC.

Sorry you dont understand what 80-95% free means.

Here is a simple example if it were applied in the NHS.
You make an appointment with your GP. It will cost £20. Unless you are a special group like unemployed, retired or on social etc. However if it is 90% free you would pay £2.
So do you get that is 90% FREE. If it were 80% free you would pay £4.
However if you don!!!8217;t turn up you pay the £20. As every thing is linked they would not chase you for the £20 as the next time you wanted access anywhere in the country they would see you owed £20. Thats Luxembourg. It might not work quite like that in Britain. You know why.

So the example above translates in Luxembourg.
Doctors appointment 15 my cost 14
Prescription 14.10 my cost 12.41
Full blood test 46.60 my cost 12.63
Anti colestoral tablets 164.81 my cost 32.96
Blood pressure tablets if I needed them my cost ZERO
Etc etc.
What I like is it makes you think about cost.
So sorry that is what is called nearly free.

Sorry but editing problem. Every turns into some code !!!8216;

phillw

tracey3596 wrote: »

Because "I hate this new order of brexit where we" must accept without question that the UK is somehow doomed as we exit the EU despite there being absolutely zero evidence of this - or risk being told that we are "little Englanders" or some other such derogatory terminology as suits the moment.

There is plenty of evidence that we will be worse off after leaving the EU. You can't accept it. The leaver argument appears to be that we should ignore all the experts because they are just lying to prevent us from victory, but if we're ignoring experts then it's impossible to say that leaving is a good idea either. Or are leave experts better than remain experts? At what point will you realise it comes down to prejudice?

tracey3596 wrote: »

Rubbish!
Since gfplux resides in Luxembourg, here's a quick guide for you:
https://www.expatica.com/lu/healthcare/Healthcare-in-Luxembourg_105466.html

How is that relevant to the NHS not being free at the point of use?

tracey3596

gfplux wrote: »

Sorry you don’t understand what 80-95% free means.

Here is a simple example if it were applied in the NHS.
You make an appointment with your GP. It will cost £20. Unless you are a special group like unemployed, retired or on social etc. However if it is 90% free you would pay £2.
So do you get that is 90% FREE. If it were 80% free you would pay £4.
However if you don’t turn up you pay the £20. As every thing is linked they would not chase you for the £20 as the next time you wanted access anywhere in the country they would see you owed £20. That’s Luxembourg. It might not work quite like that in Britain. You know why.

So the example above translates in Luxembourg.
Doctors appointment €15 my cost €14
Prescription €14.10 my cost €12.41
Full blood test €46.60 my cost €12.63
Anti colestoral tablets €164.81 my cost €32.96
Blood pressure tablets if I needed them my cost ZERO
Etc etc.
What I like is it makes you think about cost.
So sorry that is what is called nearly free.

PLEASE STOP GOING OFF TOPIC


Ah.
So your version of "nearly free" is not in fact then nearly free.
From your example costings in Luxembourg of €72 how much would it cost a retired UK resident?
Zero.
Nil.
Nada.
Zilch.
All the items you describe are free at point of delivery.
(Prescriptions are free for over-60's in England and free for all resident in Scotland and Wales.)

Which I think for most sensible people equates to free, as opposed to €72 which frankly cannot stretch acceptable opinion enough to be described as "nearly free".

gfplux wrote: »

So sorry that is what is called nearly free.

To you perhaps.
To your average UK retiree used to paying nothing, over £60 is certainly not "nearly free".

tracey3596

phillw wrote: »

There is plenty of evidence that we will be worse off after leaving the EU. You can't accept it. The leaver argument appears to be that we should ignore all the experts because they are just lying to prevent us from victory, but if we're ignoring experts then it's impossible to say that leaving is a good idea either.



How is that relevant to the NHS not being free at the point of use?

No, there is no evidence whatsoever that "we will be worse off after leaving the EU".
What there is however is a whole load of unsubstantiated claims; predictions if you will as has been discussed many times in this thread.
Therefore there really is nothing to accept.
Unless of course (as in your case) you are unable to accept the difference between a prediction and reality?

As for your experts, perhaps you would be kind enough to point out what of their predictions about Brexit have been correct so far? None of the "but we've not left yet" drivel either please; there were plenty predictions about what the immediate effects would be.

So come on, if it is a pro-leaver just ignoring experts when we don't believe these experts show us where they have been correct so far?

Half a million jobs lost?
Nope!

Immediate and deep recession?
Nope!

Emergency budget to stabilise public finances?
Nope!

Western political civilisation would be destroyed if the UK voted 'Leave'?
Er, nope!

Plans for EU army are "A dangerous fantasy"?
Another nope; it's happening.

How much longer would you like me to go on?
Rather than do so I await your correct predictions from "experts" with interest.




"How is that relevant to the NHS not being free at the point of use?"
It isn't, as I say very clearly at the start of my reply to the poster above.

PLEASE STOP GOING OFF TOPIC