Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

OFF TOPIC.

Sorry you dont understand what 80-95% free means.

Here is a simple example if it were applied in the NHS.
You make an appointment with your GP. It will cost £20. Unless you are a special group like unemployed, retired or on social etc. However if it is 90% free you would pay £2.
So do you get that is 90% FREE. If it were 80% free you would pay £4.
However if you don7;t turn up you pay the £20. As every thing is linked they would not chase you for the £20 as the next time you wanted access anywhere in the country they would see you owed £20. Thats Luxembourg. It might not work quite like that in Britain. You know why.

So the example above translates in Luxembourg.
Doctors appointment 15 my cost 14
Prescription 14.10 my cost 12.41
Full blood test 46.60 my cost 12.63
Anti colestoral tablets 164.81 my cost 32.96
Blood pressure tablets if I needed them my cost ZERO
Etc etc.
What I like is it makes you think about cost.
So sorry that is what is called nearly free.

Sorry but editing problem. Every turns into some code !!!8216;

Its not off topic to discuss the relative differences in European healthcare systems when we are talking about a possible federal European amalgamation of health provision in the future.
If you remember, after another poster suggested that European style healthcare was different to the NHS, you disagreed and suggested that the UK was in essence no different. Since then youve posted more than once about the distinct differences between the NHS and the Luxembourger version. Can I politely suggest that you make your mind up.

phillw

tracey3596 wrote: »

No, there is no evidence whatsoever that "we will be worse off after leaving the EU".
What there is however is a whole load of unsubstantiated claims; predictions if you will as has been discussed many times in this thread.
Therefore there really is nothing to accept.

You want us to accept your crazy unsubstantiated claims that things will be better after leaving the EU, but you won't accept the logical reasons why we'll be worse off.

Got it.

If we shouldn't rely on unsubstantiated claims (and of course you can't substantiate your claims), then it looks like you only want to leave the EU because of xenophobia.

Then we get into 52% of the referendum voters not understanding xenophobia, or their own beliefs.

Herzlos

tracey3596 wrote: »

No, there is no evidence whatsoever that "we will be worse off after leaving the EU"..

If you actually believe that then I don't know how to respond. Even the most fanatical leaver concedes that we'll be worse off, but at least claims it's worth it. I can handle that.

fewgroats

Do Brexiters think the rest of Europe will just hold Britons aloft? Someone, maybe quite a few people, will stop using British products and services after Brexit in Europe.

Thrugelmir

fewgroats wrote: »

Someone, maybe quite a few people, will stop using British products and services after Brexit in Europe.

Then think of European products and services.

BMW, Mini, Rolls Royce cars, Siemens, Bosch, Bayer, Audi, Porsche, Renault, MAN trucks, Peugeot, Aldi, Lidl, Allianz, Axa, Michelin, Santander, EDF Energy, NPower, VW to name a few obvious ones.

Then there's the European tourist industry to be considered.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Then think of European products and services.

BMW, Mini, Rolls Royce cars, Siemens, Bosch, Bayer, Audi, Porsche, Renault, MAN trucks, Peugeot, Aldi, Lidl, Allianz, Axa, Michelin, Santander, EDF Energy, NPower, VW to name a few obvious ones.

Then there's the Europen tourist industry to be considered.

Well there is nothing europe can do if brits can't afford to go on holiday there post brexit.

If we leave the customs union (which the euro sceptics in the conservatives are pushing for) and stop buying bmw's, mini's etc, then there will be no point in having the factories here. That is a certainty, not an unsubstantiated claim. To believe otherwise is magical thinking.

We can speculate on how much Rees Mogg is willing to punish us, by leaving the customs union, in his bid for power and xenophobia.

cogito

phillw wrote: »

Well there is nothing europe can do if brits can't afford to go on holiday there post brexit.

If we leave the customs union (which the euro sceptics in the conservatives are pushing for) and stop buying bmw's, mini's etc, then there will be no point in having the factories here. That is a certainty, not an unsubstantiated claim. To believe otherwise is magical thinking.

We can speculate on how much Rees Mogg is willing to punish us, by leaving the customs union, in his bid for power and xenophobia.

If you're convinced that we'll suffer more by leaving the customs union than by remaining, you should be demanding that we leave it immediately so the suffering can begin and we then beg to be readmitted.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Well there is nothing europe can do if brits can't afford to go on holiday there post brexit.

That's nothing to do with Brexit. More the changing world and the growing affluence of Asia and in due course India. Why should the UK enjoy a better standard of living for doing the same work/jobs ?

If we leave the customs union (which the euro sceptics in the conservatives are pushing for) and stop buying bmw's, mini's etc, then there will be no point in having the factories here. That is a certainty, not an unsubstantiated claim. To believe otherwise is magical thinking.

There's a global market for quality UK products.Just because the UK consumer buys less doesn't mean that production will cease.

tracey3596

phillw wrote: »

You want us to accept your crazy unsubstantiated claims that things will be better after leaving the EU, but you won't accept the logical reasons why we'll be worse off.

Got it.

If we shouldn't rely on unsubstantiated claims (and of course you can't substantiate your claims), then it looks like you only want to leave the EU because of xenophobia.

Then we get into 52% of the referendum voters not understanding xenophobia, or their own beliefs.

Oh dear, more bluster based upon fear and nothing else?
More derision with zero factual content?

So you have no answer to my question "if it is a pro-leaver just ignoring experts when we don't believe these experts show us where they have been correct so far?" then, where I provided clear evidence of where such experts have been incorrect?
All you have done is provide a derogatory ill-thought-out response full of hatred towards all the voters in favour of Brexit.
What a surprise that is from a remainer.
Not.

If your claims are so logical, where is the proof I have asked for?
It should be simple if you're correct.
But you're not, are you?

tracey3596

Herzlos wrote: »

If you actually believe that then I don't know how to respond. Even the most fanatical leaver concedes that we'll be worse off, but at least claims it's worth it. I can handle that.

Show us where?

UK growth to outstrip eurozone's by 2019, claims Fitch

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/02/uk-growth-outstrip-eurozones-2019-claims-fitch/

The UK economy could enjoy a post-Brexit financial dividend of £135bn in the five years after its departure from the EU, Jacob Rees-Mogg has said, an opinion that attracted a direct if brief endorsement from the Department for International Trade.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/14/jacob-rees-mogg-hard-brexit-would-boost-uk-by-135bn-over-5-years

Those two alone disprove your claim that "Even the most fanatical leaver concedes that we'll be worse off".
So you're wrong again.