Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Rough_Justice

Arklight wrote: »

I knew that normal Brits who aren’t able to access skilled migrant visas or buy their way into emigration would most likely lose the right to live and work in Europe. Which is almost certainly what will happen.

I knew that post a Leave vote there would be a rise in Little Englander xenophobia, with all the associated nastiness, racial attacks and other tension that correlates with these lowlifes periodically feeling like its safe to emerge from under their rocks. Which is exactly what has happened.

I knew that it would jam a giant spanner in our business relatiinships with our European partners, which in my industry is what has happened.

That was enough reason to vote Remain and nothing that has happened since gives me any confidence that the Leave people can deliver anything positive out of this.

What a wonderful example of how derision and fear combine to create an illogical opinion.

"Normal Brits"?
How very condescending of you to incorrectly suggest what is normal.
BTW, "Brits" have been living and working in foreign lands for centuries and Brexit won't stop that - but you knew this already.
Globally it is the norm that people with skills are sought by others as appropriate and that such people are required to meet certain criteria before commencing employment.
It is not the norm that anybody may move anywhere for any reason.
This is one reason why the EU has migrant centres across member countries which are full of peoples from outside the EU.

"Little Englander xenophobia" applies far more to the inward-looking "too-scared-to-look-out-at the-wider-world" Europhile remainer than it does to any Brexiter. There are "lowlifes" [sic] across society and (believe it or not) in the EU too. Would you like reminding of how many attacks there were upon refugees in Germany last year as just one example?

Oh now we get it; the "giant spanner in our business relatiinships with our European partners, which in my industry is what has happened" very clearly explains your self-centred and selfish response.
So no, I suppose that nothing other than suddenly seeing your pockets filled with gold would convince you "that the Leave people can deliver anything positive out of this."
I for one am not surprised in the slightest.

vivatifosi

tracey3596 wrote: »

TBH and my opinion only it's the sheer refusal to accept fact from so many of the vehement pro-EU/pro-remain posters here that grates; I personally have absolutely no conviction that a land of milk and honey lies ahead. But then, when in our history has it ever been? As with every country and life in general, it is a story of peaks and troughs.
Unlike so many of these remainers though neither am I convinced that gloom,doom and even destruction lay ahead.

IMO it's the hardliners on either side of the debate that are a problem. Compromise and solutions always come from the middle ground, not the extremes. Even though I voted remain, I wince at some of the eugenics type arguments that get bandied about, just as most Brexiteers I know are horrified when some people spout racist bile.. they are both thankfully tiny minorities.

Most of the pro-leave voters on here will post things at times and I'll think "I can see that point" or "hadn't thought of that". It's when it gets personal that I don't like it.

Personally I'm also an optimist. So whatever happens as a result of Brexit, I don't for one minute buy the whole country is going down the pan argument.

Cakeguts

I would love someone to explain how an "ordinary" person from the UK with a GCSE in French could possible get a job in France by going to France and looking for one? With the high youth unemployment rate why would France need such a person in their workforce.

I am getting extremely tired of this myth of people not being able to work in the EU thing. You can only work in the EU if the country you want to work in wants you to work in it. It is absolutely nothing to do with being in the EU or out of it.

Herzlos

There's plenty of work teaching English in a lot of places in the eurozone. Freedom of movement at least let's someone go and look. With the work visa schemes you need a job offer to enter.

But you're right, finding a job anywhere with no skills or qualifications is hard.

LHW99

With the work visa schemes you need a job offer to enter.

IMO I don't think that is unreasonable. It allows countries to source the workers they require and ensures that countries don't just lose their fit adult population because of some idea that another place is paved with gold.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

There's plenty of work teaching English in a lot of places in the eurozone.

No one is disputing that there are jobs. As was said earlier people have been working abroad for centuries. The FOM system doesn't work when people move en masse without jobs. Whether it's schools, hospitals, housing, local job agencies. Simply impossible to plan for such a speed of change. Both up and down in numbers. Services have to be planned years ahead. Unfortunately the real world moves a lot slower than the internet and a few days journey. .

Herzlos

Do people move en masse without jobs?

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Do people move en masse without jobs?

Isn't that the whole point of FOM. To allow people to better themselves economically?

We've so many Eastern Europeans washing cars around here.............

Cakeguts

Anyone like to make any predictions as to how long the NHS would last for if the UK became a member of the state of Europe? I can't see it being funded from Europe because most other European countries run an insurance based health service.

I think if you work in the NHS you would want to support Brexit?

Moby

Cakeguts wrote: »

Anyone like to make any predictions as to how long the NHS would last for if the UK became a member of the state of Europe? I can't see it being funded from Europe because most other European countries run an insurance based health service.

I think if you work in the NHS you would want to support Brexit?

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/brexiter-writing-his-own-impact-report-based-on-patriotism-20180130143418


A BREXIT supporter sick of government negativity is writing his own Brexit impact report, based on his love of Britain.

Norman Steele, from Market Harborough, believes that leaked impact reports which show growth reducing by between two and eight per cent have not taken into account British national pride and the fact that we won the war.

He said: “Doom and gloom. That’s all we get from them. They don’t have a true believer’s vision.

“My preliminary calculations show that British Leyland will roar from nowhere to become the continent’s top car manufacturer, that Hob-Nob exports to China will increase by 1,500 per cent, and Sinclair computers will give Apple a sound thrashing.