Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Thrugelmir

LHW99 wrote: »

Perhaps, or maybe the cumulative effect of a lot of small good things will add up to a success. No one knows yet.

People are the drivers and levers.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

No one complained about Eire having a low tax rate or Luxembourg or the Netherlands doing deals. All of a sudden it's a major problem. Though you wonder where from. As the Irish seem to be very much set against external interference in their affairs.

Didn't the EU kick up a huge fuss about Eire business subsidies and launch a crackdown of Eire based tax evasion?

What they can do is still subject to eu regulations, as the eu want us to be.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

You are aware that there is a difference between regulation and regulations. Here's a dictionary:

https://www.google.gr/search?q=regulation

You're going to have to spell out your point here. Is there one or is it just an attempt at point scorin?

chucknorris

Tromking wrote: »

Hyperbole is your average Remainers friend.

Nobody really knows what is going to happen, and I certainly don't, you can almost gauge the lack of intelligence/perception of a poster by how certain he is of what will happen. I think this was summed up nicely on question time last night, where it was stated that the vote was approx. 52/48% and many of those 52% were general protest votes, votes against situations/feelings caused by immigration and voters not wanting the EU to have a say on our laws. I respect that, the vote was lost (from my perspective). But why do we have to pretend that either the 52% or 42% have an insight into how the economy will flourish or falter, most of the 52% (and 42%) either actually didn't care about the economy or were only guessing. For the record it is the guessing that I wasn't comfortable with, and that's why I voted remain.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Didn't the EU kick up a huge fuss about Eire business subsidies and launch a crackdown of Eire based tax evasion?

Only recently. Like many things until it hits the media headlines no one cares. Every man to themselves. That's why EC are taking Eire to court.

Meanwhile Apple have moved off shore to Jersey. Which has probably upset the Irish even more. As will result in a loss of tax revenues.

Cakeguts

gfplux wrote: »

Part four has disappeared so here is part five.
Apparently house prices in London are falling due to Brexit

Isn't that one of the good things? More people will be able to afford to buy. Or housing in the UK will return to levels where a UK salary makes buying possible?

LHW99

What they can do is still subject to eu regulations, as the eu want us to be.

So the EU regulations do stop countries deciding their own economic policies? Perhaps we ought to leave then to get back sovereignty - oh I forgot, we've still got that in the EU - haven't we??? ..........

Arklight

chucknorris wrote: »

Nobody really knows what is going to happen, and I certainly don't, you can almost gauge the lack of intelligence/perception of a poster by how certain he is of what will happen. I think this was summed up nicely on question time last night, where it was stated that the vote was approx. 52/48% and many of those 52% were general protest votes, votes against situations/feelings caused by immigration and voters not wanting the EU to have a say on our laws. I respect that, the vote was lost (from my perspective). But why do we have to pretend that either the 52% or 42% have an insight into how the economy will flourish or falter, most of the 52% (and 42%) either actually didn't care about the economy or were only guessing. For the record it is the guessing that I wasn't comfortable with, and that's why I voted remain.

I knew that normal Brits who aren’t able to access skilled migrant visas or buy their way into emigration would most likely lose the right to live and work in Europe. Which is almost certainly what will happen.

I knew that post a Leave vote there would be a rise in Little Englander xenophobia, with all the associated nastiness, racial attacks and other tension that correlates with these lowlifes periodically feeling like its safe to emerge from under their rocks. Which is exactly what has happened.

I knew that it would jam a giant spanner in our business relatiinships with our European partners, which in my industry is what has happened.

That was enough reason to vote Remain and nothing that has happened since gives me any confidence that the Leave people can deliver anything positive out of this.

tracey3596

chucknorris wrote: »

Nobody really knows what is going to happen, and I certainly don't, you can almost gauge the lack of intelligence/perception of a poster by how certain he is of what will happen. I think this was summed up nicely on question time last night, where it was stated that the vote was approx. 52/48% and many of those 52% were general protest votes, votes against situations/feelings caused by immigration and voters not wanting the EU to have a say on our laws. I respect that, the vote was lost (from my perspective). But why do we have to pretend that either the 52% or 42% have an insight into how the economy will flourish or falter, most of the 52% (and 42%) either actually didn't care about the economy or were only guessing. For the record it is the guessing that I wasn't comfortable with, and that's why I voted remain.

TBH and my opinion only it's the sheer refusal to accept fact from so many of the vehement pro-EU/pro-remain posters here that grates; I personally have absolutely no conviction that a land of milk and honey lies ahead. But then, when in our history has it ever been? As with every country and life in general, it is a story of peaks and troughs.
Unlike so many of these remainers though neither am I convinced that gloom,doom and even destruction lay ahead.

Given the amount of threats which were to have immediate effect yet which have proven to be totally incorrect, I have little faith in the accuracy of continued negative predictions.

I completely understand (and indeed commend your honesty for) being uncomfortable with the guessing about what the future might hold. It is indeed far safer in many cases to stick with the devil you know.

Again from my POV only, the negatives of remaining in such a union far outweighed the potential benefits of leaving it - and the attitude taken by senior Eurocrats since announcing our decision to leave has done absolutely nothing to change that opinion.

Take the "cake and eat it" argument being so widely bandied about regarding what the UK supposedly wants as an example.
Is it not a "having your cake and eating it" approach from the EU when they say that the UK must not only use their court as an adjudicator but also we as a nation must abide by EU rules on tax, labour and the environment after leaving the EU?

So whilst I agree that nobody knows what's going to happen, what I can hope for is that we as a country will be free from the clutches of what is increasingly obviously an unfair and unequal supposed union of disparate nations with an objective of increasing federalism at it's heart.

LHW99

I knew that normal Brits who aren!!!8217;t able to access skilled migrant visas or buy their way into emigration would most likely lose the right to live and work in Europe.

However have they managed to go and work in the US, the Middle East etc since I don't know when?
There will be a bit more paperwork undoubtedly, but if the person / skill is wanted / needed it will happen. IMO that's the way it should work here too - for all nationalities.