Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

The EU will not treat Britain differently to Australia and the USA.
From about 2020 all citizens of all country’s outside the Schengen Zone will need to complete a EU type ESTA called an ETIAS.

I have posted links to it before but here it is again.

https://etias.com

And

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/etias/


Travelling to the USA requires an ESTA. The ETIAS will only worry Britains who have problems with the ESTA.

I see that will be the case from 2020 if it will be applied to U.K. is up for discussion and as usual it’s the EU demanding. What will that do for EU tourism especially when all those Americans and Australians can come here without one.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Did you vote at the last two General elections and also vote for a MEP.
While the turnout for the GE’s were +70% very few people turned out to vote for an MEP.

I hope all posters who are allowed to vote and talk about democracy have consistently voted in General Elections, Bi Elections, Elections for an MEP and Council elections.
When considering the turnouts at the above too many people can not be ars*d to vote.

There is an election for the Welsh Essembly in a few days and the last time the turnout was 35%
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyn_and_Deeside_by-election,_2018

Here are the stats for voter turnout across the EU in every election for MEPs since 1979:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/300427/eu-parlament-turnout-for-the-european-elections/

It shows that turnout has reduced in every election from a maximum of 61% in 1979 to 43% in 2014. The only explanation that I can think of for this is that voters see that MEPs are an irrelevance and that they have no power to influence much. The EU really ought to be asking why people don't bother to vote and try to do something about it.

Voting in local elections in the UK has always been low except when they have been held on the same day as a general election.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

These huge data bases require a lot of work (ask the experts) it also costs a lot of money and takes a long time.

The EU has been working on the sharing of data for sometime. With the UK making a significant contribution to the effort. Here's one example.

IBM Blue Gene Q at The Hartree Centre, named Blue Joule, has been ranked number one in the UK, and number 13 in the world, in the Top 500 list of supercomputers
The Science and Technology Facilities Council’s (STFC) Hartree Centre at Sci-Tech Daresbury​ in Cheshire is officially home to the UK’s most powerful supercomputer, capable of more than a thousand trillion calculations per second.

Arklight

Moby wrote: »

The problem is brexiteers don't let the truth get in the way of their fantasy of an unaccountable EU super state grinding us down. The hypocrisy in this of course is that the very same people are completely oblivious about the elites within their own shores who have been shafting them for years. Do you really think that Rees Mogg cares about your future. He's a posturing public school throwback to the 19th century who has nothing to say to young people growing up in globalised world.

The Tory Party is a political institution set up to represent the interests of the landed gentry. The core message of Conservatism is, 'Respect your betters, know your place, and you'll be rewarded for your compliance.'

Not as well rewarded as them of course, or actually at all in practice. All the billions of funding the Tories receive from the world's mega rich is to allow them to continue conning people that they care about anything other than the venal self interest of the rich.

Rees Mogg, a grace and favour freelo@der (yes that word is swear filtered here now) who's never done a days actual work in his life, seems to be in method for a part in Downton Abbey and takes his morality from totalitarian Abrahamic fairy tales, cuts through all the propaganda by representing the Tories for exactly what they are.

I am all in favour of him.

cogito

Billions? Really?

Hope you feel better for getting that off your chest.

Ballard

It is baffling that the message from the likes of (millionaire) Farage is that we need to stop the country being ruled by the elite.

As far as I can make out the people most trusted by leavers are the millionaires, Jacob Rees-Mogg & Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Hardly men of the people, either of them.

ukcarper

Ballard wrote: »

It is baffling that the message from the likes of (millionaire) Farage is that we need to stop the country being ruled by the elite.

As far as I can make out the people most trusted by leavers are the millionaires, Jacob Rees-Mogg & Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson. Hardly men of the people, either of them.

So no millionaires campaigned to remain.

sevenhills

cogito wrote: »

Here are the stats for voter turnout across the EU in every election for MEPs since 1979:

It shows that turnout has reduced in every election from a maximum of 61% in 1979 to 43% in 2014. The only explanation that I can think of for this is that voters see that MEPs are an irrelevance and that they have no power to influence much. The EU really ought to be asking why people don't bother to vote and try to do something about it.

Voting in local elections in the UK has always been low except when they have been held on the same day as a general election.

It would be interesting to see the same graph/interest in local elections. Have they always been low?
Does PR make for higher turnout.
I was recently comparing Scotland and England for turnout at local election, Scotland have a higher turnout.

Ballard

ukcarper wrote: »

So no millionaires campaigned to remain.

Of course they did and I haven’t suggested otherwise. The point that I’m making is that many leavers claim to be fed up with being ruled by the elite whilst simultaneously calling for WRM to be PM. Each to their own but that doesn’t seem hugely logical.

cogito

Ballard wrote: »

Of course they did and I haven’t suggested otherwise. The point that I’m making is that many leavers claim to be fed up with being ruled by the elite whilst simultaneously calling for WRM to be PM. Each to their own but that doesn’t seem hugely logical.

Not quite. We prefer to be ruled by our own elected government rather than an unelected EU one, elite or otherwise.