Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

This is rather like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

It might be, but we are where we are, not where we want to be.
So expect this particular stable door to be locked in due course by more and more Country’s.

gfplux

It looked like they have changed the time allowed to edit. It looks like five minutes or 0.5 of a minute.

ESTA scheme. Not scene.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

It is nothing to do with wether British Citizens are more or less a threat. It is all about monitoring EVERYONE who is going to travel into the Schengen Zone. Britain is not and never was in the Schengen zone.
Would you expect the USA to exempt Britain from the ESTA scene.

In fact we should expect Britain to introduce a similar scheme when they can afford to build the system. As I previously mentioned this surely should/will be linked to the “settled status” system that has to be brought in for the +3 million EU citizens living/working in Britain.

So if it’s purely about monitoring people going in and out of Schengen scheme it would have applied to us if we were still in EU.

tracey3596

ilovehouses wrote: »

The leave narrative. As well as being more patriotic they're authorities on democracy too.

More of an authority on democracy than senior Eurocrats, for sure.
Ask Poland.
Ask Hungary.
Ask the Czech Republic.
Ask Greece.
Ask Catalonians.
And that's only a few examples within the EU; should I go on to name some outside that the EU are (or are trying to) coerce?



Talking of Catalonia BTW, it looks like the farce over Puigdemont's possible re-election as Catalonian President will come to a head on Tuesday of this coming week.

Not happy with jailing so many Catalonian politicians for (basically) supporting their electorate regarding independence the Spanish - having already got the strength of feeling for Catalonian independence wrong - are now running scared sh1 tless that Piugdement will somehow sneak into Catalonia's Barcelona-based Parliament to seek re-election and have increased security accordingly.
Democracy, eh?
It's more like a scene from James Bond or Mission Impossible.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

It is all about monitoring EVERYONE who is going to travel into the Schengen Zone. Britain is not and never was in the Schengen zone.
Would you expect the USA to exempt Britain from the ESTA scene.

Those who want to get into the area undetected are unlikely to pass through passport control.

Herzlos

Moby wrote: »

The EU parliament is elected.

He's ignored that fact from the beginning. You're wasting your time

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

There is no reason to introduce it for U.K. or are U.K. citizens more likely to be a threat to security now we are leaving.

And neither are EU citizens but you presumably still don't want them coming here.

The eu has a visa waiver program for select countries outside of the eu. It's therefore pretty obvious it'll apply to us to. It's what we voted for.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

And neither are EU citizens but you presumably still don't want them coming here.

The eu has a visa waiver program for select countries outside of the eu. It's therefore pretty obvious it'll apply to us to. It's what we voted for.

Why would I not want E.U citizens coming here.

tracey3596

Herzlos wrote: »

He's ignored that fact from the beginning. You're wasting your time

It serves you right IMHO.
Because if you are going to be determined to answer what has not been asked and instead attempt to divert from what was said you can expect to be ignored.

The people of the UK have not elected the EU, instead deciding at the very first time of asking to separate from it.
If you really want pedantry the peoples of the UK decided for joining the Common Market over 40 years ago, not the EU which it has over time morphed into.

FYI cogito said "We prefer to be ruled by our own elected government rather than an unelected EU one..."
Again, the British people at the first vote on EU membership decided that they did not want this.
As such to the British people have not elected any form of EU governance; they are then not elected by us.

There's your "fact".

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

Why would I not want E.U citizens coming here.

So you're ok with freedom of movement then? And your objection to the eu is purely sovereignty?