Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

You had the ECJ to thank for that. We're leaving the EU and the jurisdiction of the ECJ. It'll be ironic if travelling in Europe is harder in 5 years than it was in the 70s.

FOM in the present form was introduced in 1992 and it was easy to travel within Europe prior to that. It might be ironic but I very much doubt it will be or are they going to treat us worse than USA and Australian citizens

Thrugelmir

ilovehouses wrote: »

You had the ECJ to thank for that. We're leaving the EU and the jurisdiction of the ECJ. It'll be ironic if travelling in Europe is harder in 5 years than it was in the 70s.

Little point in speculating without foundation. Even Mr Cameron has had to back track.

Brexit has "turned out less badly than we first thought", David Cameron has said.

The former prime minister was recorded at the World Economic Forum in Davos saying the Leave vote was "a mistake not a disaster".

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

Freedom of movement. There's a clue in the name that it might have something to do with travel.

Thing is, it's hard to espose this FOM thing as universally positive, when there are people struggling who don't see any opportunity for *themselves* to move elsewhere.

Now, maybe this is a government failing. Cameron did say that he hoped to encourage more British people to work abroad, but he did beggar all about it.

If there were a richer place in EU-land than the UK; somewhere which offered free health care and triple the state benefits you get here; somewhere with nicer weather and good free education at all levels; well I reckon that loads of Leaver Brits would actually be a fan of the FOM concept.

...even the good folk of Sunderland.

kabayiri

ukcarper wrote: »

FOM in the present form was introduced in 1992 and it was easy to travel within Europe prior to that. It might be ironic but I very much doubt it will be or are they going to treat us worse than USA and Australian citizens

When places with massive tourism interests, like Spain or Greece, want to attract British holiday makers and their money, then they manage a way to find it easy for us to travel.

Of course...that's all going to dry up overnight when UK leaves....NOT

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Now, maybe this is a government failing. Cameron did say that he hoped to encourage more British people to work abroad, but he did beggar all about it.

Not everybody wants "foreigners" taking locals work.

German commerce used to operate 3 payscales. Nationals, EU Migrants and finally anybody else........

The UK being fair. Had the minimum wage. Not surprising a popular destination for Eastern Europeans looking for a better life.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not everybody wants "foreigners" taking locals work.
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It works on a local level too. I used to be asked quite a bit why Northerners like me came down to London/SE, taking the good jobs away from the locals.

I understand why they asked. Protectionism is a defensive play, especially when it could impact your livelihood.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/25/britain-cowed-brussels-jacob-rees-mogg-theresa-may-brexit-eurosceptic-mps

The brexiteers are not happy are they. We'll now have a two year implementation/transitional period after March 2019 during which NOTHING WILL CHANGE. We'll still be in the single market, the Customs Union and following the rules of the ECJ and the four freedoms will remain and whats more we'll be forced to comply with any new laws the EU introduce during that period. Is that really what Rees Mogg etc fought for? Is this really the UK stepping forward into a bright new future or is May managing our deoscent into a gentle decline of irrevalence?

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Thing is, it's hard to espose this FOM thing as universally positive, when there are people struggling who don't see any opportunity for *themselves* to move elsewhere.

Now, maybe this is a government failing. Cameron did say that he hoped to encourage more British people to work abroad, but he did beggar all about it.

If there were a richer place in EU-land than the UK; somewhere which offered free health care and triple the state benefits you get here; somewhere with nicer weather and good free education at all levels; well I reckon that loads of Leaver Brits would actually be a fan of the FOM concept.

...even the good folk of Sunderland.

I am not going to suggest where you might find those things. They might exist then again they may not.
However most British people believe that they live in a country that provides much on your wish list except benefits unless when they are paid to “foreigners” and the weather.
The majority of Brits don’t know what is available in other country’s and don’t much care as they believe those things you mention could not exist certainly not within the EU.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not everybody wants "foreigners" taking locals work.

German commerce used to operate 3 payscales. Nationals, EU Migrants and finally anybody else........

The UK being fair. Had the minimum wage. Not surprising a popular destination for Eastern Europeans looking for a better life.

With the (continued) devaluation of the pound against the Euro the minimum wage in a couple of EU Country’s is Now above or level with Britains.
The minimum wage was introduced in Britain in 1998.

gfplux

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/25/britain-cowed-brussels-jacob-rees-mogg-theresa-may-brexit-eurosceptic-mps

The brexiteers are not happy are they. We'll now have a two year implementation/transitional period after March 2019 during which NOTHING WILL CHANGE. We'll still be in the single market, the Customs Union and following the rules of the ECJ and the four freedoms will remain and whats more we'll be forced to introduce any news laws the EU introduce during that period. Is that really what Reece Mogg etc fought for? Is this really the UK stepping forward into a bright new future or is May managing our descent into a gentle decline of irrevalence?

The EU have not yet agreed to let Britain have a transition period. The UK should hope that they get one as generous as the one you describe.
The talks about it start next week.