Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

fewgroats

tracey3596 wrote: »

According to those on here who disagree with a democratic decision apparently not.

Hard Brexiters, you mean? And I don't think soft Brexiters are in agreement with all aspects of policy, either.

A case of you won, suck it up?

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Brexit has gone from being trivial with full benefits to (as far as I can tell) pretty much impossible to implement.

Nothing trivial about Brexit. Being an island makes it somewhat easy to implement. Of course there'll be issues. No more troubling than a company such as Carillion going bust. People simply just get on with it.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Nothing trivial about Brexit. Being an island makes it somewhat easy to implement. Of course there'll be issues. No more troubling than a company such as Carillion going bust. People simply just get on with it.

According to Liam Fox Brexit will be "easiest thing in human history"

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-deal-eu-liam-fox-boris-johnson-a7851656.html

How'd that turn out?

tracey3596

Here's what so many remainers are desperately trying to avert attention from; it's crunch-time for Germany this weekend.

"Europe jittery as crunch vote looms for German coalition"

The 600 SPD delegates will decide on Sunday whether to approve plans by party leaders to start formal coalition talks with the chancellor’s bloc - and will “also be deciding whether Germany heads back to stability or lurches toward a repeat election that risks being as inconclusive as last year’s”, says Bloomberg.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/91081/europe-jittery-as-crunch-vote-looms-for-german-coalition


Note that this SPD vote is to decide if they even want formal coalition talks!
Failure leaves Germany with a real possibility of further AfD gains and - of course - a farewell to Mutti Merkel.




No wonder they're so desperate eh?
Another referendum?
Liam Fox?
"Hard" or "Soft" Brexit?


All rubbish - and all meant to distract from the very real fears within the EU itself.

tracey3596

As if Germany's inability to form a government was not concern enough for the EU, Turkey are again sabre-rattling too.

Celik said the European Union was not honouring all parts of a deal to stem the flow of migrants westwards from Turkey in return for 3 billion euros in financial aid to Turkey and other support. The financial aid was “not working well”, no new chapters had been opened in Turkey’s EU accession efforts and there had been no development on expanding a Turkish-EU customs deal, he said.
“Technically there’s no reason for Turkey to maintain this deal,” Celik said.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-turkey-minister/turkeys-eu-minister-rejects-any-option-other-than-full-membership-idUKKBN1F80R1?il=0

Could we see Greek islands sinking under the weight of refugees from Turkey this coming summer? Most of those who arrived long ago are still there.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-greece-lesbos/greek-island-on-strike-in-protest-against-becoming-migrant-prison-idUSKBN1DK1YT

cogito

tracey3596 wrote: »

Here's what so many remainers are desperately trying to avert attention from; it's crunch-time for Germany this weekend.

"Europe jittery as crunch vote looms for German coalition"


http://www.theweek.co.uk/91081/europe-jittery-as-crunch-vote-looms-for-german-coalition


Note that this SPD vote is to decide if they even want formal coalition talks!
Failure leaves Germany with a real possibility of further AfD gains and - of course - a farewell to Mutti Merkel.




No wonder they're so desperate eh?
Another referendum?
Liam Fox?
"Hard" or "Soft" Brexit?


All rubbish - and all meant to distract from the very real fears within the EU itself.

I'm hearing from acquaintances in Germany that the SPD will reject the coalition by about 60/40. If so, Schulz and Merkel will probably be toast.

tracey3596

cogito wrote: »

I'm hearing from acquaintances in Germany that the SPD will reject the coalition by about 60/40. If so, Schulz and Merkel will probably be toast.

I have heard very similar but I refrained from saying so because certain posters will undoubtedly decry it as anecdotal.
Until after the weekend if proven correct of course.


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-germany-politics-merkel/slowly-germany-begins-to-ponder-life-after-merkel-idUKKBN1F81EB?il=0

Herzlos

So how does Germany still not having a government help us?

I think it's not been brought up by the Remainers because it doesn't have any direct impact. We're not negotiating with Germany directly (though it'll need to approve the deal).

We already know Brexit is somewhere around number 5 in the priorities list for most countries so nothing has changed there either.

It kind of suits the "look! Europe is falling apart! Aren't you glad we're leaving?" narrative. But the EU failing is going to be bad for us whether we're out or not.

tracey3596

Herzlos wrote: »

So how does Germany still not having a government help us?

Who says it helps us?
Show us please.

It certainly doesn't help the EU though does it - or have you not bothered reading the links?

tracey3596

Herzlos wrote: »

So how does Germany still not having a government help us?

I think it's not been brought up by the Remainers because it doesn't have any direct impact. We're not negotiating with Germany directly (though it'll need to approve the deal).

We already know Brexit is somewhere around number 5 in the priorities list for most countries so nothing has changed there either.

It kind of suits the "look! Europe is falling apart! Aren't you glad we're leaving?" narrative. But the EU failing is going to be bad for us whether we're out or not.

Ah, you decided to edit after my post.
:rotfl:

No, what "It kind of suits" is the "look, Germany is in fact even less stable than the UK" and the "look, Merkel's position really is more precarious than May's" narrative.