Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

StevieJ

Malthusian wrote: »

The electorate still remember those incredible lies about the Emergency Budget and an extra 4p on income tax and an immediate recession and mass unemployment, even if Remain doesn't repeat them. And without those lies, what what else have Remain got?

Vote Remain, you know you hate your job anyway? Vote Remain for cheaper shares?

I don't think they were told that it would be the only game in town for five years and everything else would be allowed to rot.

Herzlos

Malthusian wrote: »

The electorate still remember those incredible lies about the Emergency Budget and an extra 4p on income tax and an immediate recession and mass unemployment, even if Remain doesn't repeat them. And without those lies, what what else have Remain got?

Vote Remain, you know you hate your job anyway? Vote Remain for cheaper shares?

Where's that £350 million, the Turkish exodus or the "leaving doesn't mean leaving the customs union", the agencies that "we aren't forcing to leave", the new trade prospects?
The only thing from the brexit campaign which went anywhere is the blue passports and no one under the age of 50 has any idea what they are.

18 months ago the Tories came across as sort of competent. Will all those brexiteers still vote to leave with May at the helm?

The uk political landscape is very different to 18 months ago; the ecomony has the lowest growth rate in western europe. The gbp is still in the toilet. The job losses.
Remain only need a 2% swing; that's easier to see than another leave victory.

But to be fair; if leave can get any real majority it kills the argument off entirely and we can get on with making a mess of it.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

Most trade is conducted under trade deals between geographic near neighbours (RTAs).

As someone who who has, incorrectly, stated that 90% of world trade is conducted on WTO terms you ought to avoid the subject.

Do you want to show me why you think I'm wrong?

Malthusian

Ah, of course, that's the killer argument that will win the second referendum. "Vote Remain and get our red passports back!"

Then we can finally drop all pretense and admit nobody cares about the Turks, and that all this is about is Reds vs Blues. We're the boys in red, we hate blue scum, woah-oh-oh, woah-oh-oh. (Repeat for 90 months)

gfplux

Arklight wrote: »

UK loses Galileo project:


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-galileo-satellite-space-industry-move-from-london-to-spain-madrid-uk-a8165841.html


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Well I guess this cutting edge GPS system isn't relevant to our space industry anyway. We'll just launch Thunderbird 1 and have it buzz Brussels and then the frogs and the krauts will know who to respect.

It’s only 30 jobs and who needs a space industry.

tracey3596

gfplux wrote: »

It’s only 30 jobs and who needs a space industry.

Oh the ignorance!

UK space industry – meet the leader of our fastest growing sector

https://www.director.co.uk/uk-space-industry-meet-the-leader-behind-our-fastest-growing-sector/

Total income of the UK space industry grew to £13.7 billion
in 2014/15, although growth slowed to a measured rate of
6.5% per annum. This is equivalent to 6.5% of the global space economy in 2014/15, with evidence of steady progress towards the 10% ambition (if currency fluctuations are stripped out).

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/575769/Size_and_Health_summary_report_2016.pdf

The UK was responsible for 6.5% of the global space economy and is aiming for 10%.
A little more than your suggestion of "who needs a space industry" then; no wonder the EU were reluctant to even let us have the back-up for Galileo and no surprise that they wish to remove it before it is even online!
But no, the EU aren't being at all spiteful.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

It’s only 30 jobs and who needs a space industry.

Things have changed since you left for foreign shores.

19th July 2016- The latest technical laboratory for the European Space Agency (ESA), inaugurated today by Director General Jan Woerner, will help to understand the capabilities of 3D printing and other advanced manufacturing techniques for future space missions.

The Advanced Manufacturing Laboratory is hosted by the Science and Technology Facilities Council's Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in Harwell, Oxfordshire, directly adjacent to ESA’s UK facility.
A key aim of the laboratory is to exploit the expertise and world-leading facilities that are available on the Harwell Campus, to assess new material processes, joining techniques and 3D printing technologies for application in space.

"There's a multitude of emerging technologies with apparent potential for producing stronger, lighter and cheaper spacecraft structures, but we have to be sure they are fully suitable for space with no show-stoppers,” explains Andrew Barnes, overseeing the new laboratory.

"Our laboratory aims to assess candidate materials and manufacturing processes for space missions, pre-screening them early in their development cycle.

"The results obtained will help guide ESA and the wider space industry in deciding where to focus future technology investments.”

Chris Bee, the Head of Business Development at the STFC, said, “This is exactly the sort of collaboration that brings the whole Harwell Campus community together at its best. The laboratory is already driving projects in exciting new areas and though our focus is on components for space, we hope that the laboratory’s impact on the campus can extend well beyond.

"We hope that this will encourage innovation with the UK’s high-tech industry sectors, bringing us additional advanced engineering challenges to solve using our cutting-edge national facilities.”

https://www.ralspace.stfc.ac.uk/Pages/STFC-hosts-new-ESA-lab-for-advanced-manufacturing-techniques-and-materials.aspx

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

You won last time with the thinnest margin based on some incredible lies, most of which have been walked back on.
Anything could happen of course but I don't think we'll be stupid enough to do it again.

About time you moved on................. Everybody else has. Well not everybody I agree. Though broken records eventually become irrelevant as public figures. As cannot be taken seriously.

Theophile

Who actually trades solely under WTO rules?

Answer : Mauritania.

https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6

The so called 'WTO option' is pure Brexiteer twaddle.

Thrugelmir

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The so called 'WTO option' is pure Brexiteer twaddle.[/QUOTE]

It's a default position. Nothing more nothing less. As both sides treat each other equally.