Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Arklight

As a second referendum looks increasingly likely, if not inevitable. The question is, what will be the outcome?


I predict about 60 - 40 to Remain this time:


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-presidents-bayeux-tapestry-jean-claude-juncker-emmanuel-macron-uk-donald-tusk-a8164406.html

triathlon

I now reluctantly agree with you Arklight, but not your silly prediction of 60 40. Because some people just cannot except democracy and have used ever sneaky trick in the book to reverse this vote a 2nd referendum will shut them up for good.

And I hope they get all the stick they deserve for wasting so much along with a harder Brexit than would be the case now.

tracey3596

Arklight wrote: »

Yes Tracey, a political union we were able to influence but mostly opt out of, while retaining all the benefits of free trade and visa fee travel. Plus a giant rebate.


The problem is that nothing short of being teleported back to 1952 will really work for you, will it?

In the contrary, I would rather look to the future than be tied to the past as the EU seem to be.
In their quest for ever-increasing union these EU politico's seem to forget that similar attempts have failed before. Remember the Soviet Union for example?

tracey3596

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Indeed.

Close neighbours New Zealand and Australia, or Canada and the USA, or wherever, are always going to trade far more with each other than with the distant countries thousands of miles away like the UK.

The most important trade deals are the ones with your neighbours.

More utter tosh.
China's largest trading partners are:
#1 The EU
#2 The USA
Yup, they're neighbours of China alright.
:doh:

Yes there might well be distance advantages in treading with those nearest to you but to suggest that these are always going to be "the most important trade deals" is disingenuous.

Arklight

tracey3596 wrote: »

In the contrary, I would rather look to the future than be tied to the past as the EU seem to be.
In their quest for ever-increasing union these EU politico's seem to forget that similar attempts have failed before. Remember the Soviet Union for example?

Yeah, of course this garbage looks great on your UKIP Facebook group but back in reality connecting the EU, a union of democratic countries with a democratically elected Executive that is responsible for the longest period of peace in Europe's history, to the Soviet Union, is about the most pointlessly specious comparison you can make.


Although your capacity for exercising this skill is fairly impressive so I won't disregard hope of another Tracey caboose of flimflam.

Arklight

tracey3596 wrote: »

More utter tosh.
China's largest trading partners are:
#1 The EU
#2 The USA
Yup, they're neighbours of China alright.
:doh:

Yes there might well be distance advantages in treading with those nearest to you but to suggest that these are always going to be "the most important trade deals" is disingenuous.

Thanks for pointing out the importance of trade with the EU. Even if it had to be pointed out to you that you had done so.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

tracey3596 wrote: »

More utter tosh. China
.

Nobody is expecting the UK to turn into a mass producer of cheap Chinese tat with workers earning a dollar a day and polluting heavy industries blighting our landscape.

For all EU nations, trade with other EU countries exceeds by far trade with distant third parties.

The same thing holds true throughout all regions of the World, where for the vast majority of countries geographically close neighbours are the most important trade partners.

tracey3596

Arklight wrote: »

Yeah, of course this garbage looks great on your UKIP Facebook group but back in reality connecting the EU, a union of democratic countries with a democratically elected Executive that is responsible for the longest period of peace in Europe's history, to the Soviet Union, is about the most pointlessly specious comparison you can make.


Although your capacity for exercising this skill is fairly impressive so I won't disregard hope of another Tracey caboose of flimflam.

Ha ha ha ha!
Hit a nerve, did I?

UKIP Facebook what? I didn't even realise there was such a thing and I guess that says far more about your looking for "garbage" than mine; at least now we know where you dig up your drivel from.

Peace in Europe eh, and all thanks to the EU is it?
Like Crimea or the ongoing war in Ukraine which really is nothing at all to do with EU attempts at eastwards expansion. :whistle:

Of course, all has been peaceful in Catalonia. Nothing to see there - and it's not over yet.
Yugoslavia, Kosovo, or Croatia anyone?

Peace in Europe my wotsit - maybe you only meant as far as another world war?

tracey3596

Arklight wrote: »

As a second referendum looks increasingly likely, if not inevitable. The question is, what will be the outcome?
I predict about 60 - 40 to Remain this time:

I predict one [STRIKE]even more[/STRIKE] extremely disgruntled Arklight when no second referendum is offered.

tracey3596

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Nobody is expecting the UK to turn into a mass producer of cheap Chinese tat with workers earning a dollar a day and polluting heavy industries blighting our landscape.
Who suggested that and where in this thread?
For all EU nations, trade with other EU countries exceeds by far trade with distant third parties. Which shows just how protectionist and inward-looking these EU nations are. That's really not something to be proud of, Hamish. There is much more to the world than the EU.

The same thing holds true throughout all regions of the World, where for the vast majority of countries geographically close neighbours are the most important trade partners.

Ah, so what you're really saying is that the EU needs to keep the UK sweet and give a good Brexit trade deal because we're geographically close and so the most important trade partners for them?
Gotcha.
:T