Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

The eu plans for the future are already out there. I'd like to see a statement on the terms of us rejoining, with equivalent statements for our leaving options.

gfplux

I understand Macron will be on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday morning. A recorded interview and the BBC will have leaked/trailed much of the content before it airs.

Fascinating to see how Marr handles it. Macron is an English Speaker so no subtitles.
This is a great opportunity to hear one of the leaders of the EU27 speak directly to Britain.
Of course as a politician he will be addressing his own domestic audience as well. He is a very clever man.

To declare my interest I am a fan. I am well aware (so you don’t need to tell me) of his present popularity ratings in FRANCE but hoping he and his policies will turn it around before the next election and there are early signs of that at the moment.

Arklight

kabayiri wrote: »

If....there another referendum, I would want to see a clear statement from the EU as to what we could expect to return to.

Just like Remainers have complained about a lot, call this a "plan".

A plan for where the EU is heading, and how it would see the UK involve itself with this progression.

You see, I think we will be marginalised at every key decision, as the EU moves towards QMV.

The UK has been defeated in majority votes a whopping 2% of the time since it joined. In almost all cases the rest of Europe voted in our direction. Not least of all because despite all the Leaver ranting we had a lot of say in policy development before anything got to a vote (kiss goodbye to that thanks to Brexiteers).


The tragedy is that you have created the entity that you imagined. A supranational state we have no influence over, right on our doorstep, that is becoming vaguely hostile.

System

kabayiri wrote: »

If....there another referendum, I would want to see a clear statement from the EU as to what we could expect to return to.

Would you have any interest in seeing what being outside of the EU would be like, maybe some kind of brexit impact study?

Herzlos

You're not getting a massive reduction in immigrants - the Tories have said as much. India won't di a trade deal unless it results in more migration, and I doubt they are the only one.

triathlon

What May, the government or anyone else says now is irrelevant, the electorate are not going to stand for anything but a huge fall in immigration at the very least.

Herzlos

triathlon wrote: »

What May, the government or anyone else says now is irrelevant, the electorate are not going to stand for anything but a huge fall in immigration at the very least.

And the electorate are going to be very disappointed and upset.

In all honesty I don't think anyone is going to be happy with how Brexit turns out, except for a few gloaters online.

Herzlos

Rough_Justice wrote: »

In case you hadn't noticed, most of the world is outside the EU and it manages just fine.
Even those parts of the world that the EU tries to interfere with, like Israel; the Philippines; or Malaysia.
In fact the main areas of growth projected over the next decade are outside the EU.

I'm sick of debunking both of those points as irrelevant, so I'm not going to bother. You either know you're wrong by this point, or you'll never accept it.

Kabayiri is quite right to question just what incentives the EU would give us in order to persuade us to return because TBH and as you must surely realise, it would need one heck of an incentive and not any increase in payments or reduction in supposed benefits.

The EU will offer us nothing. If we're lucky they'll let us rejoin under the terms we already had, but that's no longer a given.

That's still going to be significantly better than any other deal we'll get.

Why would they offer us anything else?

Arklight

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Why?
To rely on somebody else's "spin"?

In case you hadn't noticed, most of the world is outside the EU and it manages just fine.
Even those parts of the world that the EU tries to interfere with, like Israel; the Philippines; or Malaysia.
In fact the main areas of growth projected over the next decade are outside the EU.

Kabayiri is quite right to question just what incentives the EU would give us in order to persuade us to return because TBH and as you must surely realise, it would need one heck of an incentive and not any increase in payments or reduction in supposed benefits.

Yes, and most of them are inside other trade organisations.


Canada the US and Mexico are part of NAFTA, SE Asian nations are part of ASEAN, Bangladesh, China, India, Lao and S Korea are part of APTA.


Do you understand?

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, and most of them are inside other trade organisations.


Canada the US and Mexico are part of NAFTA, SE Asian nations are part of ASEAN, Bangladesh, China, India, Lao and S Korea are part of APTA.


Do you understand?

NAFTA?
https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/16/16882662/trump-withdraw-nafta-canada-mexico
*Chuckle*

As for ASEAN and APTA, what exactly is the point you are making?