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Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5
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setmefree2 wrote: »And reinventing history. I loved it that the Welsh poster Moby thought that Welsh castles were an example of "English" opprsession - when they were actually built by the Normans who were French/ Norse.....and were a symbol of French oppression...you couldn't make it up....
I'm no expert on Wales but I can see an awful lot of the castles on this list were built, rebuilt or expanded in the 13th Century and beyond, by the English.
http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryMagazine/DestinationsUK/CastlesinWales/
The Norman era started in 1066 and ended in 1154, almost 100 years later. Calling the Anglo-Normans who were in power at the end of Stephen's reign 'French' is a bit of a stretch.
Maybe it isn't Moby who is reinventing history.
Your opinions just seem to stem from the usual English bafflement over what everyone's problem is. The Welsh, the Scots, the Irish, the Indians, Pakistanis, Bengalis, a large part of Africa, the Chinese. They should just get over it shouldn't they?
And the Americans. The 4th of July is probably some sort of celebration to honour the Queen.0 -
Too many leave voters like me, listened to Juncker’s anti-British narrative and voted accordingly. Hence Brexit.
That is part of the problem we now have. Too many allowed relatively unimportant issues to influence the bigger picture of what was in the best interests of the UK and its economy.
Sadly many of them will find their employment prospects and standard of living affected by their decision.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
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Enterprise_1701C wrote: »Why are we raking over history. The Ireland acquisition was about 7-800 years ago years ago, and I understood it was the Normans anyway. OK, the brits continued, but not so long ago the part of Ireland we still "occupy" was given a vote as to whether they wished to remain British, and they chose to do so.
I agree its off topic, maybe someone could create a discussion thread.....Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
No its not - one simple notion, the country is over populated and we've had enough of EU immigration. I'm a millennial living in London.
Another Brexiteer who thinks its all about reducing immigration. Allegedly this nation has full employment including a large number of self employed.
I'm all for encouraging less immigration as we introduce automation into the economy, but what are we going to do when the immigrants chose to leave of their own accord and vacate jobs that cannot be automated? If you want to reduce immigrants you need to plan the economy to work without them.
I note you only want to cut EU immigration but non-EU immigration is currently controllable and rising.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
No it’s you who are projecting what you think onto them. I could easily say all remainers are undemocratic whinging people who won’t accept they lost and can’t see that the effect of brexit is not yet clear. Of course they are not the majority just like the majority of leaders are normal people who have accepted the result of referendum and are just getting on with their lives.
A fair point. The problem we have though is that until 18 months ago we were chugging along and the economy was at least growing more than our main competitors. Now we have a ticking time bomb on our hands. Lots of people and companies are distancing themselves, others are hoping it will be diffused. I can accept we are leaving but not that our "leadership" appears not to have a plan for how. This is a serious situation and "Making it up as you go along" is no substitute for a strategy.
Those who "have accepted the result of referendum and are just getting on with their lives" have always existed, but ignoring the fact their standard of living is declining and being damaged to a degree by this lack of strategy does not mean the problem does not exist.
The latest seems to be that we are getting out of the single market and all its regulatory demands and replacing it with the TPP which is much the same thing.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »When did it do that?
27 Oct 2017
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationprojections/bulletins/nationalpopulationprojections/2016basedstatisticalbulletinThe UK population is projected to increase by 3.6 million (5.5%) over the next 10 years, from an estimated 65.6 million in mid-2016 to 69.2 million in mid-2026.
Over the next 10 years, 46% of UK population growth is projected to result from more births than deaths, with 54% resulting from net international migration.
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That's 1.9m people.......Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
a) The ONS is not the government
b) The ONS clearly states: "Two factors that may affect future population are political and economic changes but it is not possible to know in advance what impact these will have. On that basis the projections do not attempt to predict the impact of the UK leaving the EU. "0 -
Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »a) The ONS is not the government
b) The ONS clearly states: "Two factors that may affect future population are political and economic changes but it is not possible to know in advance what impact these will have. On that basis the projections do not attempt to predict the impact of the UK leaving the EU. "
True. But that is also true of any forecast - it does depend on the Government sustaining a long term strategy.
As the variants included show it could be higher or lower if the political and economic context changes. Clearly this Government's planning horizon is driven my its survival and the future of the Party so anything could happen.
Lets say that in 2019 they significantly curtailed immigration what would happen?
https://www.consultancy.uk/news/14879/falling-eea-migration-could-cost-uk-over-20-billion-annually
This is an assessment of the impact of a 50% reduction in EU net migration which sees a modest £60 reduction in GDP/capita and significant job losses in key sectors.
But you are perhaps right that the politicians have not said definitively what will happen.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Another Brexiteer who thinks its all about reducing immigration. Allegedly this nation has full employment including a large number of self employed.
I'm all for encouraging less immigration as we introduce automation into the economy, but what are we going to do when the immigrants chose to leave of their own accord and vacate jobs that cannot be automated? If you want to reduce immigrants you need to plan the economy to work without them.
I note you only want to cut EU immigration but non-EU immigration is currently controllable and rising.A fair point. The problem we have though is that until 18 months ago we were chugging along and the economy was at least growing more than our main competitors. Now we have a ticking time bomb on our hands. Lots of people and companies are distancing themselves, others are hoping it will be diffused. I can accept we are leaving but not that our "leadership" appears not to have a plan for how. This is a serious situation and "Making it up as you go along" is no substitute for a strategy.
Those who "have accepted the result of referendum and are just getting on with their lives" have always existed, but ignoring the fact their standard of living is declining and being damaged to a degree by this lack of strategy does not mean the problem does not exist.
The latest seems to be that we are getting out of the single market and all its regulatory demands and replacing it with the TPP which is much the same thing.
People who are calling for immigration saying that we have full employment and therefore need it are often the same people complaining about Zero hours contracts, the situation is nowhere as clear as some people think.
I agree the divisions in Tory party do not help although I don’t think Labour Party any better and the impression of EU wanting to punish us does not help.
But we don’t know what the final deal will be and it’s impossible to know the effect of leaving until we do.0
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