Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Arklight

kabayiri wrote: »

Shouldn't someone ask the asylum seekers themselves where they want to go?

I remember many an interview when they came over, and there was a great clamour to take up the offer from Germany from them.

They might feel like they are being sold down the river if you force them into a hostile place like Poland, which might have quite different religious views.

No...Germany made the unilateral invite. Germany needs to accept the responsibility which comes with that.

These countries are signed into the EU political project, whicn is ever closer union. If they don't want that then they can leave, like the UK is doing.


Of course the UK was, until Brexiteers and their wrecking ball came along, able to be part of the EU and opt out the ever closer union, and any requirement to take on quotas of asylum seekers or to bail out Greek and Cypriot banks.

Arklight

gfplux wrote: »

This from Bloomberg’s Brexit bulletin.

The U.K. thinks Michel Barnier is bluffing, and that the City will be just fine after Brexit.

Senior officials say privately they think the European Union’s chief negotiator’s hard-line stance that financial services will be excluded from any post-Brexit trade pact won’t last, Tim Ross reports. Barnier set out his position clearly in December that there was no chance financial services could keep the access they now enjoy as it would be unprecedented. Barnier blames the U.K.’s own red lines in the negotiation, saying it’s a consequence of Britain’s decision to leave the single market.

The future of banking after Britain leaves the EU is one of the biggest questions in the Brexit talks, and banks have led the way in making preparations to deal with a disruptive split. Talks on the future relationship haven’t started yet, and the two sides have just 10 months to hash out an outline agreement before an October deadline. First of all the transition deal will be discussed, and the EU expects talks on trade to begin in March. While the EU is suggesting the U.K. should aim for a free-trade agreement like Canada’s, the U.K. is pushing for something better, which would include its huge services industry.

This is a conundrum. On the one hand we are told repeatedly the the merest whiff of heavy handed regulation or personal taxation will cause all "our" bankers to vanish in a puff of mist and reappear in New York, Shanghai or Frankfurt.


But on the other hand we are told that undergoing the seriously heavy weather of trying to be the EU's financial centre outside of the EU, will make no difference at all to them.


Do I sense perhaps even an aura of nervousness amongst our augst financial instutions? After all they are meant to be the golden goose that everyone is lining up to feed. But Brexiteers, whose main dealings with banks is writing angry emails to the Daily Mail because their local one shut, are unmoved. And Europe, which has a much more balanced society than the UK, doesn't seem to actually be that bothered what happens to London's giant casino.

mailmannz

Arklight wrote: »

These countries are signed into the EU political project, whicn is ever closer union. If they don't want that then they can leave, like the UK is doing.

Right...because the EU is making it so easy to leave for the UK isn't it?

Can you imagine what the EU would do to some of the smaller countries if they tried to leave?

Mailman

Herzlos

mailmannz wrote: »

Can you imagine what the EU would do to some of the smaller countries if they tried to leave?

It'd look exactly the same. We're small in the context of the EU, and they aren't treating us unfairly.

They aren't treating us how we'd like, but they aren't doing anything unfair.

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

These countries are signed into the EU political project, whicn is ever closer union. If they don't want that then they can leave, like the UK is doing.


Of course the UK was, until Brexiteers and their wrecking ball came along, able to be part of the EU and opt out the ever closer union, and any requirement to take on quotas of asylum seekers or to bail out Greek and Cypriot banks.

If you listen to the usual suspects in Brussels then an unwillingness in the future to engage in ever closer union will mean that you’re ignored and then asked to leave.
A critical time for the EU this, I’m not a sure the Brexit induced panicky dash for federalism is where the European people’s are at, at the moment.

Arklight

mailmannz wrote: »

Right...because the EU is making it so easy to leave for the UK isn't it?

Can you imagine what the EU would do to some of the smaller countries if they tried to leave?

Mailman

How are they making it difficult for us to leave?


Our government issued Article 50 to withdraw in 2 years. They said fine.


Our government then spent 9 months communicating in Daily Mail headlines, losing elections it called itself and appointing imbeciles to represent it while as far as I can see Europe waited for it to actually ask for something.


What it asked for (all the benefits of remaining in the EU with none of the costs) was absurd so they said no (to the astonishment of Brexitwits everywhere).


What the hell is going on now I can't fathom, it seems to involve sporadically demanding things, receiving a counter offer and capitulating immediately.


At least we have the triumph of blue passports, ones that now look exactly like the US ones, as a super expression of our sovereignty. Except we could have had that all along.

Herzlos

mailmannz wrote: »

They NEED negotiations to be as painful and spiteful as possible so as to act as a deterrent to anyone else who wants to leave the EU.

No, they just don't need to consider what's best for the UK, a 3rd nation, when dealing with negotiations. It only looks like they are being difficult because they outclass us in every way.

Rough_Justice

Herzlos wrote: »

No, they just don't need to consider what's best for the UK, a 3rd nation, when dealing with negotiations. It only looks like they are being difficult because they outclass us in every way.

Are you just in denial?
What about this quote direct from Juncker himself:

"Britain’s example will make everyone realise that it’s not worth leaving.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-juncker/no-other-countries-will-quit-eu-after-britain-eu-chief-juncker-idUSKBN16P0PF

How about this from Tusk:

"We cannot push them away from us, but we cannot let them profit from Brexit, as that would be lethal for the EU"

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-tusk/tusk-says-eu-mustnt-let-britain-profit-from-brexit-polish-media-idUKKCN0ZT0WE

Even some MEP's accept publicly that the EU will try to punish the UK for their temerity in leaving the EU including Italian Fabio Massimo Castaldo, Czech Jiri Payne and this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/19/eus-brexit-chiefs-want-punish-britain-stop-countries-leaving/

Even the attempts aren't working though, are they?
Ask the Visegrad group or - as mentioned before - the Swiss just for a few examples of current anti-EU sentiment.

setmefree2

I see that Tony Blur has been out Remaoning this morning.

I also note that no matter how prominent the BBC try to make the story it has yet to make their top ten most read......

Toxic Tony out trying to push the agenda of his City mates with his millions made from his middle east pals....yuk imho.

setmefree2

Swiss MPs' FURY as referendum call grows

KEY Swiss MPs have gone on the offensive to savage the European Union after Brussels and Bern fell out over access to the bloc’s stock exchanges.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/899441/EU-Switzerland-Juncker-stock-exchange-Doris-Leuthard-Social-Democrats-Swiss-People-s-Party


If you don't like The Express

EU sparks Swiss anger with temporary market access deal

https://www.ft.com/content/e705c25e-ce90-3854-b09c-03459a53e124

Brussels has clashed with Switzerland over its long-term relationship with the bloc in a spat over financial market access which has soured relations between the EU and one of its closest third-country neighbours. The European Commission on Thursday approved a limited 12-month agreement where Swiss stock exchanges in Bern and Zurich will be able to continue trading shares of EU companies from January next year. Switzerland – which is not in the EU – had pushed for an unlimited deal after it paid in over €1bn in EU cohesion funding to secure full regulatory “equivalence”. But Brussels has tied talks over financial market access with the broader negotiations about the EU-Swiss relationship. The Commission has been in long running talks to get Switzerland to adhere to the EU’s rulebook (known as the ‘acquis’) and accept the role of the European Court of Justice in dispute settlement.