Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

ilovehouses wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jan/04/farmland-could-be-turned-into-meadows-post-brexit-says-michael-gove



It's the unemployed Brits of Lincolnshire I feel sorry for - all these years of waiting for the EU workers to leave so they could take to the land and start a new agrarian revolution. Dreams shattered just like that.

Still, no point in having sunlit uplands without a meadow to gambol upon.

Oh dear, were you not even aware that the UK's primary agricultural area is East Anglia and not Lincolnshire?

Or that many UK farmers are already knowledgeable about diversification and embracing/inspiring new technology?

Never mind, you continue with the disparaging comments about the UK whilst presumably upholding the unfairness of the EU's Common Agricultural Policy which rewards the richest whilst small- and medium-sized farmers suffer. And ignoring the efforts at promoting a "greener" alternative too; presumably you would prefer all available land to be turned over to some sort of food production then and the environmental impact can go whistle?

If you're going to comment on the state of British farming it might be helpful if you had at least a basic idea of the current state of play in that area instead of merely rushing to gloat at your own incorrect perceptions.


https://euobserver.com/environment/137407

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-farming-subsidies-billionaires-high-uk-rich-list-recipients-brexit-james-dyson-earl-rosebery-cap-a7815871.html

https://www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/opinion/a-new-eu-agricultural-policy-for-people-and-nature/

http://www.countryfile.com/news/farming-diversification

https://www.farminguk.com/News/The-many-options-and-ideas-for-farm-diversification_46565.html

cogito

Tromking wrote: »

Probably not a good time for the EU to be handing out unlimited financial market access to 3rd country stock exchanges.

The bit that you're missing is that the EU has given unlimited market access to the New York and Hong Kong stock exchanges but only 12 months to the Swiss stock exchange. The Swiss are mightily miffed about it and the odds are that the Swiss will hold a referendum next year on its relationship with the EU. Rmember thar Swiss referenda are constituionally binding on the government who then have 180 days in which to legislate.

System

tracey3596 wrote: »

Oh dear, were you not even aware that the UK's primary agricultural area is East Anglia and not Lincolnshire?

Can you show me where I made such an assertion?

tracey3596 wrote: »

Or that many UK farmers are already knowledgeable about diversification and embracing/inspiring new technology?

Can you show me where I asserted they weren't?

tracey3596 wrote: »

Never mind, you continue with the disparaging comments about the UK whilst presumably upholding the unfairness of the EU's Common Agricultural Policy which rewards the richest whilst small- and medium-sized farmers suffer. And ignoring the efforts at promoting a "greener" alternative too; presumably you would prefer all available land to be turned over to some sort of food production then and the environmental impact can go whistle?

I won't ask again because by now it's clear you're arguing with the 'voices'.

tracey3596 wrote: »

If you're going to comment on the state of British farming it might be helpful if you had at least a basic idea of the current state of play in that area instead of merely rushing to gloat at incorrect perceptions.

I've got more than a basic grasp of the state of British farming thanks. Paying farmers to 'look after the countryside' apart from being akin to letting foxes babysit chickens is nothing more than a way of continuing to enrich wealthy landowners.

It's a new bung to replace the bung from CAP - if ever there was an example of dullards being confused by change in name this is it.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Actually this has been a great lesson to other members how NOT to negotiate.
I am deeply saddened that the country of my birth could have been so unprepared.

But the EU can't start further negotiations until the back end of March. Why not? Could it be that they are unprepared?

tracey3596

It looks to me like the straws being so desperately reached-for are becoming increasingly short and brittle.

Farmers said they are worried so Gove speaks to them at their Oxford Farming Conference - and meets with generally a positive reaction.

The response to his announcement was largely warm. The National Farmers Union president Meurig Raymond said: “I was pleased to hear the secretary of state talking about the need to invest in technology, skills and rural resilience

Patrick Begg, rural enterprise director of the National Trust, said: “Gove’s commitment today is another step in the right direction for the future of our countryside. These changes will help to shape a sustainable future for farming while giving birds, bees and butterflies the environment they need not only to survive, but to thrive.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jan/04/focus-on-quality-not-weakened-regulation-post-brexit-gove-tells-farmers

That's not enough for some posters though is it ilovehouses?
It's a straw waving in your face.
Apparently the National Trust and the landowners responsible for conservation are to be likened to "foxes babysitting chickens" too; small wonder I suppose that ilovehouses hears "voices" and must resort to posting what pretty much amounts to gibberish and insult as if that is the sum grasp upon reality.

No, it's not all looking rosy for farmers because of a speech by Gove and no, of course the industry isn't all gooey-eyed at his plans.
But seriously, if that last post is supposed to be evidence of "more than a basic grasp of the state of British farming" it's a fail.
Again.

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

But the EU can't start further negotiations until the back end of March. Why not? Could it be that they are unprepared?

Germany perhaps......

Rough_Justice

I read earlier about the Swiss increasingly calling for their own EU referendum.
For those who may not realise, here is another reason for that increasing call.

Cantons are on a confrontation course with the EU
Several cantons completely reject the adoption of the new EU Weapons Directive.

https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/kantone-gehen-auf-konfrontationskurs-mit-der-eu-ld.1344041&prev=search

Tromking

It’s all going a bit ‘Pete Tong’ for Brussels.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/900198/Chancellor-Sebastian-Kurz-cut-benefit-payments-for-children-living-abroad-Freedom-Party/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Rough_Justice

Here's a report, this time from Ireland, on mounting disagreement between Croatia and Slovenia which the EU has so far been unable to resolve effectively.

Croatia has proposed new talks but the Slovenes are adamant they will not talk, and that the court ruling must stand.
Which leaves the EU in precisely the mess its founding fathers were determined to avoid. At a time when the union would like to demonstrate its “peace-engineering” credentials.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/slovenia-croatia-border-dispute-underlines-fragility-of-eu-s-balkan-project-1.3344135

This cohesive, united EU that some imagine contains more divisions than a primary school maths jotter!

Rough_Justice

Tromking wrote: »

It’s all going a bit ‘Pete Tong’ for Brussels.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/900198/Chancellor-Sebastian-Kurz-cut-benefit-payments-for-children-living-abroad-Freedom-Party/amp?__twitter_impression=true

No it can't be.
The EU are united.
One big happy family.

Apart from ............................... Poland. Hungary. The Czech Republic. Spain. France. Germany. Greece. Italy. Bulgaria. Cyprus. Sweden. As above, Croatia and Slovenia. Now Austria.
:think:
There's not much left to actually be united, is there?