Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mailmannz

Herzlos wrote: »

No, they just don't need to consider what's best for the UK, a 3rd nation, when dealing with negotiations. It only looks like they are being difficult because they outclass us in every way.

I think you are right...when you have mental midgets in parliament involved in the negotiations who most likely don't have their hearts in it to start with it doesn't take much to upset the apple cart.

Secondly the EU can afford to sit back and just watch the !!!! show with all the remainers who have been whining like spinning tops since the vote and all the MP's who are more than happy to stay in the EU.

But as I said before, the last thing the EU needs is a very straight forward exit process for all parties involved as that will send the wrong message to everyone else.

If we had politicians with some back bone instead of soft white squishy stuff who are prepared to tell the EU to go f89k itself we might be actually getting somewhere with negotiations.

gfplux

mailmannz wrote: »

Why would the EU enter in to negotiations in good faith? Having a fair and equitable outcome to negotiations isn't actually in their best interests.

They NEED negotiations to be as painful and spiteful as possible so as to act as a deterrent to anyone else who wants to leave the EU.

Plus they have the luxury of being able to sit back and do nothing safe in the knowledge that their useful liberal fools in the media will NEVER honestly report on negotiations and are more than happy to run cover for the EU.

Mailman

The EU were forced into negotiations as Britain triggered article 50. This obliged them to do so. You appear to believe they entered into those negotiations in bad faith.

The EU is negotiating for the EU so they want the best deal possible for the EU.
Britain is negotiating for Britain so wants the best deal for Britain.

The EU have been very tough, apparently you are surprised by this, and most commentators were amazed how united the EU was.

You mention spiteful. I frankly have not seen that and the main media even including the Brexit loving daily mail surely has not mentioned spite. If they have, that is their and your opinion.
Britain has been criticised by many for being under prepared. That is for Britain to decide but does not make the other side spiteful.

I am amazed you don’t think the media will report honestly on the negotiations. I thought the media on both sides of the argument report the spinning, then report the result and then spin the result for their readers tastes. If you call the journalists at the Daily Mail, Express and Sun liberal fools they Would be VERY upset.

gfplux

mailmannz wrote: »

Right...because the EU is making it so easy to leave for the UK isn't it?

Can you imagine what the EU would do to some of the smaller countries if they tried to leave?

Mailman

What difficulties is the EU putting in the way of Britain leaving the EU. If you are complaining it’s a long and difficult process, well it is, it was always going to be. Britain has been a member of the EU for over 44 years and the process of disingaging is complicated.
There are no difficulties being put in the way by the EU of Britain leaving.

However if you think that a member of a club can leave that club BUT keep all the benefits then you are very wrong.

mailmannz

The EU was only forced in to negotiations because of their own inflexibility with allowing countries to control things like their own borders (who they let in).

We are seeing this same inflexibility with how the EU is now undermining Polands moves to clean out its inbred judiciary and forcing the Eastern Block countries to take muslim refugees (because thats worked out so well for Germany and the rest of Western Europe hasn't it).

The media doesn't report the news...it hasn't done this for decades and the worst lot of the bunch is the left leaning liberal BBC who haven't met a dictator they haven't loved yet.

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

It'd look exactly the same. We're small in the context of the EU, and they aren't treating us unfairly.

They aren't treating us how we'd like, but they aren't doing anything unfair.

Actually this has been a great lesson to other members how NOT to negotiate.
I am deeply saddened that the country of my birth could have been so unprepared.

mailmannz

gfplux wrote: »

What difficulties is the EU putting in the way of Britain leaving the EU. If you are complaining it’s a long and difficult process, well it is, it was always going to be. Britain has been a member of the EU for over 44 years and the process of disingaging is complicated.
There are no difficulties being put in the way by the EU of Britain leaving.

However if you think that a member of a club can leave that club BUT keep all the benefits then you are very wrong.

Benefits like having to take un-vetted islamic terrorists...because you know, thats work out so well for Germany, Italy, Belgium and so on hasn't it?

Dont forget its a two way street. The UK is a multi-billion pound market for export goods from across the EU. If the EU wants to keep access to that market then it needs to negotiate in good faith.

But therein lies another issue with having the mental midgets we have in parliament focused like a laser on the economy. Instead of working on a "great" trade deal with the US they instead spend their time attacking its President as if they are virtue signalling something to the left.

System

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jan/04/farmland-could-be-turned-into-meadows-post-brexit-says-michael-gove

Farmland could turn into meadows after Brexit, says Michael Gove

It's the unemployed Brits of Lincolnshire I feel sorry for - all these years of waiting for the EU workers to leave so they could take to the land and start a new agrarian revolution. Dreams shattered just like that.

Still, no point in having sunlit uplands without a meadow to gambol upon.

gfplux

Rough_Justice wrote: »

Despite the attempts of others to describe the UK as teetering on a supposed cliff-edge because of Brexit it seems that we as a country continue to manage very nicely thank you.

Following 2016's growth of 1.8% (Fastest in the G7 alongside Germany who had trailed the UK for the previous two years) growth for 2017 is forecast to remain stable at 1.8%.


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-pmi/uk-firms-report-brighter-q4-consumers-slow-borrowing-idUKKBN1ET0XT?il=0

This is great news. I am delighted at the numbers. Perhaps some of the country’s extra wealth could be diverted to the NHS during this time of Crisis.

gfplux

An article from the Irish Times about the Welsh port of Holyhead.
Some interesting facts.
The Irish Times appears to be anti Brexit but still and interesting read. There is so much we don’t know about the potential effects of Brexit.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/holyhead-will-be-one-of-the-biggest-losers-from-brexit-1.3343977

Holyhead remains a hugely important gateway for and to Ireland. In 2016, some 423,000 lorries and trailers passed through the port. Many of these lorries where heading to, or coming back from, the Continent.
Indeed, almost 80 per cent of Irish-registered HGVs heading for the Continent pass through Welsh ports, the vast majority via Holyhead. Yet as a result of the UK’s decision to leave the European Union – or more precisely, Theresa May’s interpretation of the implications of the Leave vote – all of this is under threat.

System

gfplux wrote: »

This is great news. I am delighted at the numbers. Perhaps some of the country’s extra wealth could be diverted to the NHS during this time of Crisis.

Martin Lewis is usually keen to remind people that Christmas is on December 25th every year and shouldn't take anyone by surprise. Maybe he could remind the government Winter is an annual event and should be incorporated into the NHS' plans.