Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

You have to laugh at the desperation of remainers poking fun at media interpretations of the UK and TPP.

Firstly because the EU's trade talks with Mexico - who are a TPP member - have stalled but these remainers won't even mention those.

Secondly because the Trade Secretary Liam Fox has very clearly said "We don’t know what the success of the TPP is going to yet look like, because it isn’t yet negotiated. So it would be a little bit premature for us to be wanting to sign up to something that we’re not sure what the final details will look like"
http://www.cityam.com/278150/liam-fox-its-too-soon-seek-membership-trans-pacific
Strangely the remainers making disparaging remarks concerning TPP ignore that too in favour of media hype.

Thirdly were the UK not to be putting feelers out globally regarding future possible deals I feel certain that these same remainers would be gleefully disparaging a lack of preparation.

As someone on another thread wrote recently, "another day, another straw".

gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

Sadly it looks like the EU are not changing their stance at all; the Visegrad group's stance has long been known. Your Yahoo link may be recent but in fact this is old news.
This has been ongoing since Merkel's mass invite tbh and things have not improved in the near-three years since, which leaves a few possibilities.

1/ The EU reforms it's policies. Unlikely given the rhetoric being spouted by seniors in the EU hierarchy.

2/ The EU splits into factions. Given what is already happening with the Visegrad group this looks increasingly likely. The only way the EU can stave off this split is with some serious placation - which there is absolutely zero evidence of so far.

3/ The existing divisions worsen and the EU either has a complete rebrand or disbands altogether. Unlikely but possible given the rise of extremism within the EU, together with the frailty of the Netherlands and now Germany plus forthcoming likely gains for populists in Sweden and in Italy.


IMHO it appears that the clever Swiss realise this.
That is why a call for their own EU referendum is gathering pace.

This thread is about Brexit. What has the future policy of EU free movement got to do with it.

tracey3596

gfplux wrote: »

This thread is about Brexit. What has the future policy of EU free movement got to do with it.

Why aren't you asking the original poster, BobQ, rather than the one replying to his post?
:think:

gfplux

This from Bloomberg’s Brexit bulletin.

The U.K. thinks Michel Barnier is bluffing, and that the City will be just fine after Brexit.

Senior officials say privately they think the European Union’s chief negotiator’s hard-line stance that financial services will be excluded from any post-Brexit trade pact won’t last, Tim Ross reports. Barnier set out his position clearly in December that there was no chance financial services could keep the access they now enjoy as it would be unprecedented. Barnier blames the U.K.’s own red lines in the negotiation, saying it’s a consequence of Britain’s decision to leave the single market.

The future of banking after Britain leaves the EU is one of the biggest questions in the Brexit talks, and banks have led the way in making preparations to deal with a disruptive split. Talks on the future relationship haven’t started yet, and the two sides have just 10 months to hash out an outline agreement before an October deadline. First of all the transition deal will be discussed, and the EU expects talks on trade to begin in March. While the EU is suggesting the U.K. should aim for a free-trade agreement like Canada’s, the U.K. is pushing for something better, which would include its huge services industry.

gfplux

BobQ wrote: »

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/hungary-poland-see-anti-migration-stance-spreading-eu-140902459.html

A development in EU thinking on immigration.

Thanks to Tracey as she pointed out I should tell you.
So
What has the future of “freedom of movement” got to do with Brexit.

Britain is in the middle of very difficult and confusing negotiations to leave the EU and this thread is about that.

Also off topic would be any discussion on Britains possible NEW policy on immigration after Brexit. It presently not fit for purpose as there are many complaints that the minimum income level is industry and London Centric.
However that is probably left for the moment, but if not the subject requires a separate thread.

Tromking

Isn’t the Brussels and V4 spat about the dispersal of refugees not ‘freedom of movement’ ?

Enterprise_1701C

Tromking wrote: »

Isn’t the Brussels and V4 spat about the dispersal of refugees not ‘freedom of movement’ ?

It is - brussels are trying to force them to take their "allocation" of "refugees" and they do not want to due to their history and the fact they do not want their way of life to be devastated the way it has been in many other countries, meaning they have been oppressed before and are trying to avoid it now.

Of course, as Merkel invited them in and just assumed that everyone else would be as willing, it should really be Germany that deals with them. If they cant then she should not have invited them in.

Herzlos

tracey3596 wrote: »

Secondly because the Trade Secretary Liam Fox has very clearly said "We don’t know what the success of the TPP is going to yet look like, because it isn’t yet negotiated. So it would be a little bit premature for us to be wanting to sign up to something that we’re not sure what the final details will look like"

I hope the irony isn't lost on anyone

mailmannz

setmefree2 wrote: »

Stuff about joining the TPP still in the news.....

I loved how everyone was against TPP until President Trump said America wouldn't be taking part. The left couldn't fall over themselves quick enough to suddenly find a new love for TPP!!! :rotfl:

Regards

Mailman

mailmannz

gfplux wrote: »

The future of banking after Britain leaves the EU is one of the biggest questions in the Brexit talks, and banks have led the way in making preparations to deal with a disruptive split. Talks on the future relationship haven’t started yet, and the two sides have just 10 months to hash out an outline agreement before an October deadline. First of all the transition deal will be discussed, and the EU expects talks on trade to begin in March. While the EU is suggesting the U.K. should aim for a free-trade agreement like Canada’s, the U.K. is pushing for something better, which would include its huge services industry.

Why would the EU enter in to negotiations in good faith? Having a fair and equitable outcome to negotiations isn't actually in their best interests.

They NEED negotiations to be as painful and spiteful as possible so as to act as a deterrent to anyone else who wants to leave the EU.

Plus they have the luxury of being able to sit back and do nothing safe in the knowledge that their useful liberal fools in the media will NEVER honestly report on negotiations and are more than happy to run cover for the EU.

Mailman