Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

I really don’t see the point of all this going back to the past. I would not hold a modern German responsible for what happened in the war as I would someone from the U.K. for something that happened over a 100 years ago.

I wonder if some of remainers here actually know any body who voted leave, I know several in fact most of my friends voted leave and they don’t have the characteristics that some remains here think they have.

Well they need to start piping up then because at the minute the xenophobes and the Little Englanders are taking all the bandwidth.

hutman

Arklight wrote: »

The Brexit movement, if you can call it that, is largely a mish mash of jingoism, racism, and throwback anachronistic fantasy that views everything before Suez asa golden heyday of British excellence.

No its not - one simple notion, the country is over populated and we've had enough of EU immigration. I'm a millennial living in London.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

Well they need to start piping up then because at the minute the xenophobes and the Little Englanders are taking all the bandwidth.

No it’s you who are projecting what you think onto them. I could easily say all remainers are undemocratic whinging people who won’t accept they lost and can’t see that the effect of brexit is not yet clear. Of course they are not the majority just like the majority of leaders are normal people who have accepted the result of referendum and are just getting on with their lives.

Arklight

hutman wrote: »

No its not - one simple notion, the country is over populated and we've had enough of EU immigration. I'm a millennial living in London.

Nothing in the wording of the referendum choices mentioned immigration and the government has already confirmed that numbers won't fall after Brexit so you may be out of luck.

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

No it’s you who are projecting what you think onto them. I could easily say all remainers are undemocratic whinging people who won’t accept they lost and can’t see that the effect of brexit is not yet clear. Of course they are not the majority just like the majority of leaders are normal people who have accepted the result of referendum and are just getting on with their lives.

I'm not sure the majority of leaders are anything of the sort. Do you mean leavers?


I accept the narrow result of the referendum I don't, I'm afraid, accept that that's the point that democracy ends because that's what Remain supporters want to hear.


Leaving the EU impinges on every aspect of our lives from what we can buy in our shops to where we can travel and our international security status. Jamming your fingers in your ears and saying "LALALA I'm not listening to the Remoaners" has got real old real fast.


I'm sure many Leave people are sweet rational sorts who have excellent reasons of their own for voting Leave. I know equally as well that many were misled and regret their decision now, some voted Leave for grievances of their own that have nothing to do with Europe.


I also know that alongside all these, every single racist, NF supporter, BNP member and otherwise raging racist, was lining up to vote Leave, and that's a fact that the broader church of the Leave camp seems content to completely ignore.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Arklight wrote: »

the government has already confirmed that numbers won't fall after Brexit

When did it do that?

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

I'm not sure the majority of leaders are anything of the sort. Do you mean leavers?


I accept the narrow result of the referendum I don't, I'm afraid, accept that that's the point that democracy ends because that's what Remain supporters want to hear.


Leaving the EU impinges on every aspect of our lives from what we can buy in our shops to where we can travel and our international security status. Jamming your fingers in your ears and saying "LALALA I'm not listening to the Remoaners" has got real old real fast.


I'm sure many Leave people are sweet rational sorts who have excellent reasons of their own for voting Leave. I know equally as well that many were misled and regret their decision now, some voted Leave for grievances of their own that have nothing to do with Europe.


I also know that alongside all these, every single racist, NF supporter, BNP member and otherwise raging racist, was lining up to vote Leave, and that's a fact that the broader church of the Leave camp seems content to completely ignore.

Obviously leavers (predictive text)

Yes leaving will impact on our lives but the actual effect is still unknown and will probably be somewhere between the doom remainers predict and nirvana brexiters predict.

I don’t think any more were brexiters misled by brexit campaign as were misled by the excessively claims made by remain. I know none of the people I know who voted leave believed what was written on bus.

I would think EDL supporters will most likely have voted leave if they voted, but the failure to discuss imigration in any reasonable manner has probably driven more people to groups like the EDL.

setmefree2

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Why are we raking over history. The Ireland acquisition was about 7-800 years ago years ago, and I understood it was the Normans anyway.

The Norman Anglo nobles (who had invaded England 100 years before) were invited in by an Irish chieftan - the deposed king of Leinster, Dermot MacMurrough - in 1169. Big mistake.

setmefree2

Tromking wrote: »

I don’t think anyone is denying our nations mixed history, just merely reacting to the accusation that Brexit is somehow a manifestation of that history. Another example of remain voters maliciously imagining the motivations of leave voters just to make themselves feel better.

And reinventing history. I loved it that the Welsh poster Moby thought that Welsh castles were an example of "English" opprsession - when they were actually built by the Normans who were French/ Norse.....and were a symbol of French oppression...you couldn't make it up....

setmefree2

Stuff about joining the TPP still in the news.....