Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Isn't the EU investigating UK deportations?

I believe that's down to how we were doing it, not that we were. This was related to those vans driven round London with threats written in Polish?

Enterprise_1701C

BobQ wrote: »

When we leave the EU will English cease to be an official EU language?

I seem to recall that a few years ago Germany tried to make the official language German. It was voted down if I recall.

Whatever they do, they cannot stop English being one of the most used languages in the world, it if often the only common language in a group of people.

At the end of the day I could not give a toss about what language they speak there.

phillw

vivatifosi wrote: »

If my family were in a war zone, I would do everything in my power to get them out.

What if you have no power to get them out? What if they refuse to leave but because they are old or young they are left alone, but as a man of fighting age you are a target for being conscripted into a war that you don't believe in but if you refuse you will be murdered? I'm pretty sure I'd take my chances with some idiot looking down their nose at me, than someone with a gun forcing me to kill people.

vivatifosi wrote: »

It isn't about obligation, it's about family ties and doing what's best for your loved ones.

You're judging people without knowing anything about them or their situation. Your viewpoint seems to be that it's ok to mistreat them because you imagine that they are bad people for leaving imaginary family members behind. It's ok because they are foreigners right?

Herzlos wrote: »

I believe that's down to how we were doing it, not that we were. This was related to those vans driven round London with threats written in Polish?

No, it's due to deporting EU citizens for driving offences or locking them up for no reason. Supposedly they were working and paying taxes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/30/brussels-uk-deported-eu-citizens

I assume somewhere along the line there are some xenophobes who are taking advantage of the situation & that it's not a top down policy. At least I hope so, because the alternative is that leave voters were conned even more than I thought they were.

BobQ wrote: »

That we can return them to France. Personally if France wants to surrender a little area of France for us to maintain a border post I cannot see why we would object.

I expect long term the EU will find a way to make sure all the immigrants bypass them completely and get directly to the UK, so we will be forced to take them (unless we completely pull up the draw bridge and leave the United Nations, say hello to our new trading partner North Korea). All they need to do is fund direct flights to the UK from places like Syria. The airports will be glad of the business.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I believe that's down to how we were doing it, not that we were. This was related to those vans driven round London with threats written in Polish?

Not from what I can recall reading a while back.

Tromking

phillw wrote: »

I expect long term the EU will find a way to make sure all the immigrants bypass them completely and get directly to the UK, so we will be forced to take them (unless we completely pull up the draw bridge and leave the United Nations, say hello to our new trading partner North Korea). All they need to do is fund direct flights to the UK from places like Syria. The airports will be glad of the business.

You really are a peddler of miserablist clap trap.
These times are set to be defined as the era of mass migration.
How Europe manages the benefits and negatives of that is going to be interesting, be in no doubt however the future of the EU (as is) depends on how European politicians deal with it.
It’s not been an auspicious start for those paid to deal with the challenges of mass migration in Europe though has it?
In the UK, the debate was shut down for so many years, the electorate got hacked off and voted Brexit. On mainland Europe the issue is such a hot potato, the far right is on the march again and Brussels is so out of touch with its people’s it would rather sanction national governments rather than echo their concerns.

gfplux

I offer some simple facts or logic in red

Brexit aside, if they are refugees, then they are supposed to be housed in the first safe country, which won't be Britain unless they arrive from the country by plane, in which case the issue won't be at a port.
In many instances they don’t want to register in that first country as they either already have family/friends connections in other country’s of the EU and want to travel there as quickly as possible
If they are a citizen on another country, lawfully entering the UK via the border, then this is something that we should be discussing. As per the previous article I posted, back channels appear to be opening already.
It can be discussed all you like but by who?
If they are illegal immigrants trying to enter the UK from France, then one needs to ask how they have travelled across the EU illegally and why they are the UK's problem.
once again they have wanted to as they have Britain in their mind as a final destination. Some would suggest this is because they think London’s streets are paved with gold. Others including me suggest that Britain has no ID card system so you can drop out of sight very easily
The movement of both illegal immigrants and refugees within Europe is a problem for the EU, not so much because of camps in Calais, where the maximum numbers were in the low tens of thousands, but largely due to Merkel's open door policy, during which more than a million entered. That is a problem that is categorically NOT of Britain's making.
As has been pointed out Germany does not have a new Government and any speeches by Merkel are long forgotten by immigrants in war zones who may want to come to Europe.
On Friday I was talking to an Indian friend whose husband has worked in liberal Germany for many years. He is now having a terrible time there by virtue of being brown skinned. He is a liberal being who has blended in for years, but is now tarred with the same brush as those who are behaving inappropriately... stealing, mugging, assaulting women etc. People who entered Germany under the open borders policy but who are now disrupting society because they behave inappropriately.
From what I hear your description sounds like modern Britain
I have huge sympathy for the plight of refugees but as a woman I have to ask why so many of them are men, and why if the country was so dangerous, they left so many of their women and children behind. I do support the resettlement of refugee families, as well as the support of refugees in neighbouring countries to the war zone through financial support from the UK.
Just read a little history and you will understand that often the male immigrant travels ahead of his family to establish a safe place for his family to ultimately follow to.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

It will no doubt be a huge conundrum for France come that day.
Abandon the current arrangements or are too difficult with the new arrangements and you risk upsetting the nation that has a penchant for French wine and cheese, upsetting also a highly unionised port workforce in Northern France that coverts it’s trade with a massive European economy like the UK’s.
I have a feeling that if France had wanted to just wave through it’s illegal immigrants it would done so by now already.

Hello Tromking
Happy new year.
I have a little knowledge of the French and FRANCE.
If you think for one minute that France would (Now) care about upsetting the Brits you don’t know FRANCE.

I will not go as far as saying FRANCE has tolerated Britain because it was a fellow member of the EU but now Britain is leaving (and the way it is leaving) do not expect any favours from FRANCE.

As an aside.
Macron during his New Years address had the French and EU flags side by side at his shoulder.
Whenever did you see a British PM do that other than when at an EU meeting. Frankly that sent out a very strong message by this young and dynamic president.

Thrugelmir

As has been pointed out Germany does not have a new Government and any speeches by Merkel are long forgotten by immigrants in war zones who may want to come to Europe.

The flaw is that Merkel never said don't come. Many did leave their homeslands. Others will still wish to follow.

phillw

gfplux wrote: »

I offer some simple facts or logic in red

Brexit aside, if they are refugees, then they are supposed to be housed in the first safe country, which won't be Britain unless they arrive from the country by plane, in which case the issue won't be at a port.
In many instances they don’t want to register in that first country as they either already have family/friends connections in other country’s of the EU and want to travel there as quickly as possible

"UNHCR also reminds Member States that they must take into consideration the
applicant’s right to family unity and consider the applicant’s family links in the
destination country. In UNHCR’s view, a person’s fundamental right to family unity is an
overwhelming consideration that countries of asylum should consider"

It's not just those damn EU foreigners forcing us to take immigrants, it's the UN foreigners we have to spit venom at now too.

gfplux

Once again I went shopping in my local Lidl today. I heard barely an English voice, most of the conversations where being held in Polish and other what I presume to be eastern European languages. I can identify northern European languages, struggle with eastern European because the majority of them seem to speak not a jot of English these days. Hopefully that will become one of the things you have to be able to do if you want to come to our country in the future, it is not unreasonable to have to speak the language of the country you live in if you interact with others that live there. I do however remember the outrage when we had the cheek to insist that nurses working in the UK could actually speak English.

enterprise, perhaps you need to shop at Waitrose. I understand they get a better quality of immigrant there.