Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

gfplux wrote: »

Just read a little history and you will understand that often the male immigrant travels ahead of his family to establish a safe place for his family to ultimately follow to.

Or more morbidly, working age men are more likely to survive the journey.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Isn't the EU investigating UK deportations?

Link please. Anyone can throw allegations on the table to make a “point”
Thrugelmir you are better than that.

gfplux

BobQ wrote: »

When we leave the EU will English cease to be an official EU language?

No, as ROI are a member.

gfplux

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I seem to recall that a few years ago Germany tried to make the official language German. It was voted down if I recall.

Whatever they do, they cannot stop English being one of the most used languages in the world, it if often the only common language in a group of people.

At the end of the day I could not give a toss about what language they speak there.

You recall incorrectly unless you can come up with proof from a credible source.
Of course any mad MEP can propose something.

Why are people throwing around these silly allegations.

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

:rotfl:Overheard in Waitrose is always in English.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/floperry/of-the-most-middle-class-things-overheard-at-waitrose?utm_term=.pt69L3EEv#.dm9w0Addj

Thank you, thank you, thank you Vivatifosi what a fantastic laugh.
Definitely at least 6 laugh out louds. It’s Oscar material.

It reminds me to make celeriac mash next week!

Enterprise_1701C

:money:

gfplux wrote: »

You recall incorrectly unless you can come up with proof from a credible source.
Of course any mad MEP can propose something.

Why are people throwing around these silly allegations.

Perhaps a little inaccurate in my memory but the Germans do not like the way German is treated in the eu despite the fact that it is not a commonly spoken language outside of Germany. Whatever they try to do, English is the one language many nationalities have in common when trying to communicate.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/languages-culture/news/sprechen-sie-deutsch-merkel-wants-more-german-spoken-in-eu/

And, of course, you can guarantee that they would then work on making it the language that the European parliament works in.

Most spoken second languages

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/sep/26/europeans-multiple-languages-uk-ireland

LHW99

Eighteen climate scientists from the US and elsewhere have hit the jackpot as France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, awarded them millions of euros in grants to relocate to France for the rest of Donald Trump’s presidential term.

So you don't have to be in the EU to apply for and receive grants from EU members? I thought this was one of the reasons University professors gave for voting Remain - that their grants would dry up if they left.

gfplux

tracey3596 wrote: »

gfplux, I bid you a good morning and a Happy New Year.
. Tracey, I wish you a wonderful, safe and healthy 2018, May some of the things you want come true.
Regarding your lengthy post with the addition of red highlighting however you really are forgetting, I do hope not purposely, the EU's own rules and laws. These very clearly state in the so-called Dublin regulation that third-country visitors (which covers migrants and refugees) must register in the first European country they enter.
This is why in Greece and Italy for just a few examples, such migrants/refugees are still incarcerated in migrant camps two years after the "crisis" began.
I am not forgetting the EU laws and rules. Many Country’s are pragmatic about those. In fact the camps are the reason immigrants (illegal?) do their best not to register as the camps only delay them in their attempt to reach their intended final destination.

Now we are all aware of the EU's proclivity to ignore their own rules when it suits them to do so but you cannot possibly deny that - other than flying, a very long boat trip or an impossibly long swim - there is realistically no way that migrants can get to the UK other than over land. As all the land before reaching the UK from either Africa or the middle east is part of the EU, it is therefore an EU problem and not a UK one. Pure and simple.
You are forgetting open borders are the consequence of freedom of movement. So once these (ilegal) immigrants are within Schengen the authorities have other fish to fry. It’s all to do with lack of recourses that you are very familiar with in the UK
So regardless of France's own (somewhat ungrateful considering history IMHO) feelings towards the UK they must stick to the law. Hence the clearing of migrants as posted before.
Across the EU, Amnesty and even the The European Network Against Racism (ENAR) amongst others describe EU attitudes towards migrants as "appalling". Not looking good for the EU, is it?
I would agree very few Country’s can be proud of their record in dealing with immigration
Given your alleged knowledge of France, I find it interesting too that you do not acknowledge the far worse divisions in France including politically than in the UK which you say you love.
You are perfectly correct. It would be an old problem affecting ALL Country’s at the present time
Macron and his policies are not liked by many French, who have (as is their usual style) protested loudly, have they not?
Politically the divisions have allowed a far right extremist party the Front National holding eight seats in the French parliament. Despite FN losses in the elections, many see Macron's policies persuading greater support for the FN now and in the future as is happening across mainland Europe.
Correct. Macron is gambling that he can convince enough of the electorate in time to win the next election. It is a huge gamble as failure and what politically it will unleash is frightening to contemplate. We, at least those not on the far right, should all wish him success

If I were you I would be much more concerned about such fanaticism close to home than how the EU handles migrants.

we are very concerned. The memory’s of Fascism are still very much more alive on the mainland of Europe that it is in Britain. Even here in Luxembourg it is still in living memory that young men were shot by firing squad in the Town Centre for refusing to join the German army, that of the population of 2000 Jews in Luxemborg City in 1939 only +/-16 came back from the camps in 1945, that thousands of ordinary Luxembourgers were sent to work camps (not death camps luckily) and many perished from hunger and disease before they came home.

gfplux

LHW99 wrote: »

So you don't have to be in the EU to apply for and receive grants from EU members? I thought this was one of the reasons University professors gave for voting Remain - that their grants would dry up if they left.

You misunderstand, you should read the article.
This is a FRENCH initiative not EU.
Britain could do the same.

However you are quite correct the EU funds research throughout the EU. Britain has in the past been in receipt of a lot of money but this will end when Britain leaves. There is some suggestion from UK academics that the funding has already dried up!

wunferall

LHW99 wrote: »

So you don't have to be in the EU to apply for and receive grants from EU members? I thought this was one of the reasons University professors gave for voting Remain - that their grants would dry up if they left.

:rotfl:
Maybe it would have been described better if it were written thus: "Eighteen climate scientists from the US and elsewhere have hit the jackpot as France’s president, Emmanuel Macron, bribed them with millions of euros in grants to relocate to France...."
Even I could be tempted to move to France if they bribed me with millions of Euros.
Would anyone like to try me?


Colour used as gfplux seems to quite like it.


Never mind the rambling there in that colour gfplux. The EU made the rules and it should stick to them no matter how much you might try to wriggle out of it, and attempting to describe this as "pragmatism" is little short of dishonest.
Various parts of the EU disregarding the rules and doing so with such regularity is surely amongst the reasons for Brexit.