Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

People are pretty coy about how they express a desire for less foreigners being here. The government took people at face value and were wittering on about pieces of paper that said we didn't have to bother with ever closer union.

It wasn't difficult to get to here - just a government that mistook what people say for what they mean.

But yes - remainders.

Honestly you are really clutching there.

All those govt resources get it wrong, yet you can see straight through to the truth. Incredible.

Herzlos

ilovehouses wrote: »

The government did get it wrong. They didn't realise how !!!!ed off people were about immigration

Generally based on completely bogus information. I'm sure research was showing people thought immigration was something like 9x lower than people felt it was.

Arklight

Honey_Badger wrote: »

Ah I see so in your view as long as a country is in the EU it can do whatever it likes. Whilst an independent UK has to bow to the EU superstate.




You must have a different idea to me as to what a "small island" is, personally I wouldn't have classed the worlds 9th largest island as small.

I'm quite glad you indicate that the EU is a regional superpower, although I'm a little surprised you seem to paint it as a malevolent one that won't allow Gibraltar any form of self-determination.

To me a desire to become an economic and military superpower is one of the EU's least attractive aspects. Although they're going to have to beef up their defence spending to do that.

I'd prefer to see a UK independent of such superpowers. Not one thats the 28th state of an EU superstate, to me that's as objectionable as being the 51st state of the USA.

The UK will kowtow. Your vision of an independent Britain in a multipolar world is fantasy.


Leaving the EU will see us cede far more sovereignty than we will gain. To the Europeans and the US. You Brexit people don't even have 50% of your own country onside, how are you going to present a united front against Brussels?

cogito

wunferall wrote: »

It might be no surprise, but breaking news this morning.
EU gives formal green light to new Brexit phase

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-phase/eu-gives-formal-green-light-to-new-brexit-phase-idUKKBN1E918R?il=0

It's like being congratulated on getting cancer.

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

The government did get it wrong. They didn't realise how !!!!ed off people were about immigration, they didn't for a second think they'd lose a referendum and they wanted to do UKIP at the 2015 GE. 1 out of 3.

You haven't yet been able to stop complaining about remainers complaining so you're still fogbound. We're pawns in the Tories grand game of thrones. They're only in power because they were up against the worst opposition since the late nineties.

They knew the mood towards mass migration alright. To reduce it has been in the Tory manifesto for a while.

They just don't have any control with FoM. They should have been honest about this.

They gambled that the general disquiet could be managed, and it backfired.

I don't mind. Im happy with more migration from India and China...some serious investment money out there now.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

The government did get it wrong. They didn't realise how !!!!ed off people were about immigration, they didn't for a second think they'd lose a referendum and they wanted to do UKIP at the 2015 GE. 1 out of 3.

A few posts back you said the masses weren’t bothered about any immigration issues other than health tourism and benefits, and govt had the power to keep those people happy.

Now apparently those people are very angry about immigration and the govt has simply forgotten about all these powers.

You are making things up as you go along and none of your reasoning makes sense.

You haven't yet been able to stop complaining about remainers complaining so you're still fogbound. We're pawns in the Tories grand game of thrones. They're only in power because they were up against the worst opposition since the late nineties.

Yes yes we know you are very unhappy. Never mind eh it’s nearly Christmas and as expected things are moving forward.
I’m sure when trade talks get sticky you’ll be super cross again, and I will be having another good old laugh.

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

Hardly...Did you catch Question Time from Barnsley last night;)

Yes, an interesting watch it was too.
Always nice to see our elected representatives put under pressure from the public.Tory Rebel Nicky Morgan was fooling no one when she repeated her mantra about wanting Parliament a say over how we leave the EU and the audience were right to heckle her for it.
I hope it reminded all our politicians that as far as the British public is concerned, don't mess with the referendum result.

mayonnaise

mrginge wrote: »

Never mind eh it’s nearly Christmas

Christmas, the season of peace, love and goodwill...

Honey_Badger

Arklight wrote: »

The UK will kowtow. Your vision of an independent Britain in a multipolar world is fantasy.


Leaving the EU will see us cede far more sovereignty than we will gain. To the Europeans and the US. You Brexit people don't even have 50% of your own country onside, how are you going to present a united front against Brussels?

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but most countries in the world are independent. I can’t see how they have lost sovereignty, or how the UK could possibly lose sovereignty by being outside the EU.

Your comment “you Brexit people” shows very well your bias. I would have preferred to stay in a reformed EU, one without closer integration. It should have remained a trading alliance rather than an embrionic superstate.

Herzlos

Honey_Badger wrote: »

I can’t see how they have lost sovereignty, or how the UK could possibly lose sovereignty by being outside the EU.

Because generally they need to follow EU rules in order to sell stuff into the EU, without having any say in those rules. They have to make more concessions in trade deals because they are usually the smaller party.