Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Zero_Gravitas

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Interesting sign under Merkel here

Brexiteering in a nutshell: “we refuse to acknowledge that there are any languages other than English”...

gfplux

Rough_Justice wrote: »

I take issue with your foisting pro-EU propaganda upon this forum as if it were fact when it is nothing more than a "want" as well as your derogatory tone.
When posters here are so deceitful and so condescending in their so-called "contributions" whilst at the same time using such derogatory terminology as you choose towards those whose opinion differs to your own, others are quick enough to "take issue" too.
If you dislike the reaction so much I politely suggest you review the tone of your posts.
Also try to comprehend the meaning of words such as "guidelines" before ignoring the meaning when you post, maybe.

One persons propaganda is another's wish list.
The EU27's wish list has been published. Those that want to read it can. I was just facilitating that process. I thought understanding what the EU wished for would help us all understand what will and is happening in the next few weeks and months.
I have no desire to foist propaganda on people. I have a strong desire for facts and that document is worth reading in my opinion.
You are accusing me of deceit and condescension and using derogatory language towards people who have a different opinion to my own.
My tone is conciliatory as I repeat we have to look at the facts and not keep lobbing insults over the wall as that we should all except is only destructive.
In this whole process facts have been in short supply but speculation has not been.
I have reread my recent posts and also yours and I don't find my tone should upset you or anyone.
While posters and the media continue to use the term remoaner I will continue with the term quitter and Quittling.

gfplux

Some more foisting.
These were published by Britain yesterday. They are informative reports. They are not propaganda..........or are they?
The source is Brexit: the next steps page on the UK Parliament website.
Anyone interested in facts/wish lists/propaganda can receive an update when items are added.

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http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/treasury-committee/news-parliament-2017/uk-economic-relationship-eu-report-published-17-19/

Agreement on standstill transitional arrangements between UK and EU27 is now urgent

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/business-energy-industrial-strategy/news-parliament-2017/euratom-report-published-17-19/

UK should stay within Euratom regime and ECJ jurisdiction

https://secondreading.parliament.uk/blog/brexit-blog/what-can-research-tell-us-about-brexit/

What can research tell us about Brexit?

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I hope this adds to the conversation

gfplux

This is the BBC on the wish list/guidelines issued by the EU.
I found it useful.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42367532

vivatifosi

gfplux wrote: »

Some more foisting.
These were published by Britain yesterday. They are informative reports. They are not propaganda..........or are they?
The source is Brexit: the next steps page on the UK Parliament website.
Anyone interested in facts/wish lists/propaganda can receive an update when items are added.

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http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/treasury-committee/news-parliament-2017/uk-economic-relationship-eu-report-published-17-19/

Agreement on standstill transitional arrangements between UK and EU27 is now urgent

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/business-energy-industrial-strategy/news-parliament-2017/euratom-report-published-17-19/

UK should stay within Euratom regime and ECJ jurisdiction

https://secondreading.parliament.uk/blog/brexit-blog/what-can-research-tell-us-about-brexit/

What can research tell us about Brexit?

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I hope this adds to the conversation

Thanks gfplux, those are interesting links. Good to see that the UK wants to stay in Euratom. The piece on what is being researched is good too.

vivatifosi

A good piece on the EU by Carl Bildt, former FM and PM of Sweden. Says that the triple threat of BTP (Brexit, Trump, Putin) are keeping the EU together, and that the current economics helping keep warm and fuzzy, however the issues facing the EU could easily rise again.

An interesting read for moderates on both sides of the debate:

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/macron-moment-for-eu-reform-by-carl-bildt-2017-12

kabayiri

The EU will divide in some way, in the future. I have no doubts about that.

The question begs, will it be a managed divide?

I think the Euro project has demonstrated just how hard it is to initiate a political project across 27/28 states which come from a variety of positions.

The talk will turn towards tiers within the EU. It's an accommodation, and the politicians love an accommodation.

Moby

mayonnaise wrote: »

Christmas, the season of peace, love and goodwill...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/15/rumours-of-government-whipping-operation-abound-in-westminster

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/15/anna-soubry-receives-messages-calling-for-her-to-be-hanged-as-a-traitor-brexit

Anna Soubry, one of the 11 Conservative MPs who defied government whips this week when the government suffered its first Commons defeat over Brexit, has received multiple messages saying she should be hanged as a traitor.

Messages received by Soubry’s office – usually seen first by her parliamentary staff – also feature abuse, with one Facebook message saying: “Go hang yourself slag.”

It follows death threats to Dominic Grieve, the former attorney general, who drew up the amendment to the EU withdrawal bill that passed on Wednesday by 309 votes to 305, ensuring MPs must have a final vote on any Brexit deal.

Moby

Honey_Badger wrote: »

Well, perhaps I’m different to the Brexit voters you know. I’ve lived and worked in four EU countries, Germany, The Netherlands, Ireland and Cyprus.

...and they say travel broadens the mind;)

Sapphire

kabayiri wrote: »

I think the Euro project has demonstrated just how hard it is to initiate a political project across 27/28 states which come from a variety of positions.

As a passing remark, I do get fed up with independent sovereign nations/countries being called 'states'. Sounds like 'subtle' propaganda in preparation for the 27 (or fewer) being made part of a 'united states of Europe' – not suggesting it is a propaganda ploy thought up by you, of course.